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written on 10-Nov-2008
theSaj [http://www.easternstorm.net/photos/aranatha/firsthalloween/] says:
Greetings to all my fellow Oyster Pointers...
Jason Epperson here...
I've got numerous bottles and an old broken clay flask found in the mud flats. As well as several more recent photos. I'll try to photograph some of the more historical bottles and get the photos to you all.
While I've left City Point, it will always be a part of me. One cannot live and go to school in the same neighborhood and not be a part. Driving by and seeing the new expansion of the condominiums left me with frustrated tears. And still testifies that the city of New Haven has no understanding of one of it's best neighborhoods.written on 27-Dec-2008
Kathryn Friedland says:
I am a part of the Ahern family from Second St. My father was Daniel Ahern. Anyone out there remember this family?
written on 27-Dec-2008
Christopher Schaefer [editor] says:
Which of your relatives were the legendary neighborhood lamplighters [who lit the street gas lamps every evening]? I believe one of your relatives used to write a column of memories [much of it about pre-highway City Point] for the New Haven Register. I used to enjoy reading them. I've lived at 84 Second St. for 23 years [formerly the Oates residence; the mother purchased it in 1920]
written on 28-Dec-2008
Kathryn Friedland says:
My father was Daniel Ahern, and yes, he told me about the lamplighting days. As far as a relative writing for the Register, it wasn't one of his sisters or brothers. I think it was maybe a first cousin of his, but she didn't come from Second St. I know who you are referring to, but she wasn't one of my aunts. I can't remember her name, but I did know it at one time. I know City Point pretty well as I grew up on Third St. I can't place where the Oates house is. Can you give me a landmark?
Thankswritten on 28-Dec-2008
Kathryn Friedland says:
Oh, I forgot to say that my father was one of the lamplighters himself. His older brothers passed it on down to him and his older sister Katherine would go out with him once in a while. He once told me a story about a time when they were both out and some dogs were bothering them and my father climbed the light pole to get away from the dogs and left his sister to deal with the situation, and she was petrified.
written on 29-Dec-2008
Christopher Schaefer [editor] says:
The Oates house is one house down from the corner of Second & Greenwich, next door to a former corner store, which is now an apartment, but was home to many businesses over the years. Immediately to the left of my house is the former Huling residence. Helen Huling, widowed at a young age with c. 6 children, lived there for many years. Her father bought the house when she was a child.
On this website, the page entitle "Backyard & Attic Finds and other Neighborhood Artifacts" there is a link below the photos "For a brief history of the 1871 Lane-Hubbard house..."
Click that link and you'll see a photo of my house. It looks somewhat different than when you lived in City Point: in the 1920s the front porch was changed to a "double-decker". I've since returned it to its original appearance.
[The house is called the "Lane-Hubbard" house after its first 2 owners of 1871 & 1872--although the Oates family owned it longer than any previous--or current!--owner.]
P.S. Are you still a "Connecticut yankee" or have you since relocated out-of-state?written on 03-Jan-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Hi: Thanks for the info. As a matter of fact, I went to St. Peter's school and Bessie Huling was in my class. I graduated in 1960. I walked by that house every day on the way to school. I never knew what the story was with that family. I just remember there were all these kids and it looked as if they were struggling most of the time. I remember that when I was in St. Peters the business on the corner of Second and Greenwich was called Murphys. We would go in there and buy candy.
I now live in Vermont, but I am hoping to relocate back to the New Haven area sometime. It's been a dream of mine for years. My daughter attends Quinnipiac University. I have a brother who lives in Westport, but all my father and mother's generation are all deceased now, and there's only first cousins of mine, but actually none of them live in New haven; some in West haven, Branford and elsewhere. I go to New Haven when I can and drive down City Point and eat at the Sage Restaurant. It's my daughter's favorite restaurant.
I have tons of memories of City Point.
Kathryn Friedlandwritten on 06-Jan-2009
Christopher Schaefer [editor] says:
Former City Pointer Doug Kelsey tells of working for the Wedmore Oyster Co. when the hurricane of '38 hit:
"We went to the Wedmore oyster grounds off the coast of Branford. After a short period of time Capt. Wedmore called me to the wheelhouse and showed me the reading on the barometer and said it had been dropping, so we had better go in. He ordered me to have the crew pull the gear aboard, which we did and headed back to City Point. Instead of going bow first into the slip, Capt. backed the boat in.
We all went up to the Wedmore building on South Water Street. Dewey Wedmore and Capt. kept the guys busy with odd jobs. We had lunch at noon, and it was after noon Capt. ordered two of the crew to go down to the Catherine and double line her. Those two were working on the Wedmore dock when a skylight flew over and hit one of them in the head. By the time an ambulance reached him [THREE HOURS later] he was dead. I don't recall his name. His death was one of over 600 killed in Connecticut."written on 07-Jan-2009
Adichello says:
To Kathy Ahern: I was with family two weeks ago. They lived on Greenwich but came from Kimberly ave.
They showed some old 8mm movies with their friends the Ahern children one girl was Kathy wonder if it was you ? it was from the early 60swritten on 10-Jan-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Wow, I really don't know. Can you give me more info? What was the name of the family? In the early sixties I was in high school, and I did go by Kathy, not Kathryn.
written on 04-Feb-2009
Bobby Weber says:
I swam all my childhood days off the docks at City Point. I was one of the few that could dive off the tower pulley at the Beacon Docks. These were the best times of my life. I once drove a motor cycle into the front of Buddy Emerson's boat garage and in later years he forgave me for it. He was a great guy.I would sure like to go back to those days when we were tuff with out guns and fighting.. This is a great web site and I am glad that you will keep it going.
Thank you Bob Weberwritten on 04-Feb-2009
Jason Epperson says:
Oh the stories we call could tell...
I was definitely one of the later batches of kids running around Oyster Point. For me, it was the early 90's. When the likes of Tracy and I explored just about everywhere we could find. Built little forts. And mourned the disappearance of the old rusty tug boat house (fort) that sat in the parking lot for who knows how long.
Tales of hiding in the sewers to the west of the marina, when Tracy's parents didn't know she smoked. Watching the tide rise and realizing that eventually it'd over our head. Using what must have been every paper towel Lorraine had when she ran the City Point deli to dry off.
Or the time Tracy & I, along with little Billy Cahill ventured into the sewer pipe during a very low tide season. Flashlights in hand. Probably made it half way until this huge grayish white rat scurried by in front of us. Little Billy ran back out screaming. We went after him and when we returned the tide was already coming back up.
:-)written on 04-Feb-2009
Bobby Weber says:
The lady was talking about Murphy's T.V. repair on the corner of 2nd St. and Greenwich Av. right across from Ellen Dodds house. I never knew that he sold candy. I grew up with Buddy and Cathy Huling and next to them was Ray and Patty Mchugh. Spent half my life on their front porches.Helen would take about 10 of us on the Seemless outing every year. She was a great woman and Mother who had very little. The best kept secret on the hill and city point was "We were all poor and nobody knew it". The Hill,city point,reunion is held every year and it is a great time. More people shoul attend. There were about 350 last year.. E-mail me for information. Does any one remember Glenny Hogan chasing all the kids through the weeds. He was something else....
Bobby Weberwritten on 05-Feb-2009
Christopher Schaefer [editor] says:
To Bobby Weber: I live in the house formerly occupied by the Oates family, between former Murphy's TV & the Huling's house. [Actually we're all still poor, and everybody knows it!] Are you the Weber who once lived in the board-and-batten style house on Kimberly Ave. which was moved to Greenwich Ave. [2 lots behind my house] to make way for the new Betsy Ross School?
written on 05-Feb-2009
Kathryn Friedlan says:
Sometime in the 1950's, more like earlier 50's, I remember hearing that a young boy had died on the railroad tracks. Does anyone remember this story, and who the boy was?
written on 06-Feb-2009
Bobby Weber says:
I know the house well that you live in. I all but lived over there. I was raised at 100 Kimberly Av. The house was just done over in blue. The Weber's you are talking about was Paul,George,Pinky,Elisabeth,Joe,and I think one other. Good friends but no relation. The boy that Kathy is talking about was Bobby Ford. We were coming home from skating on the mud flats. Thats where the big mountain of trash is now. Bobby had left about 5 Mins ahead of us other guys and got hit near suicide Hill,Right before the grant St.foot bridge. Suicide hill was a dump site that we used to slede ride down at the end of the Blvd.You would almost always hit something that would hurt or cut you.. Across from the Howard Brick Co. If the wind was blowing in your face you would never hear the train coming from behind you. It is great to remember the old neighborhood. Kathy if you got out of St.Peters in 1960 then my sister Doraine was in your class. My whole family went there and so did the other Weber's.
written on 07-Feb-2009
bobby weber says:
Chris,The pictures of your yard looks great. You have done a great job. The Huling house looks the same as it did but Pattys McHughs house has lost the front porch. I only live in West Haven now and I will have to stop and see you one of these days. Is the Rustic Garden still there? That was a cheaters paradice in the olden days. Had booths with curtains on them. It was the only bar that I have been in where I lost a drink in the dark. Jean Garrity used to be the owner. Very nice woman with a daughter about 5 Yrs.younger than me.I will stop by and tell you all the stories about that section of town from the 50's on. I was known as Pecks bad boy and they wern't far from the truth.I see that they named the Park behind my old house after John Galvin. I went to school with Billy Galvin and worked with Mary Galvin who was a St. Prosacuter in Milford. Oh by the way I ended up a Det. Lt. with the West Haven Police Dept. for 30 Yrs. If you can't beat them,join them. I will be in touch. There are stories about that neighborhood that I still dream about today. The fire at Manufacturing Express on Hallock Av. on a cold winter night. It lit up half the city. I could see it when we left Truman St. school after playing basketball at about 9PM. Talk agin later. If you have any questions,just ask.I loved the pictures of what the people have done with their homes. It is starting to look like the older days when people knew their neighbors and cared about the property. Great job. Bobby Weber
written on 07-Feb-2009
Christopher Schaefer [editor] says:
Rustic Garden was closed/boarded up when I moved to Second St. 23 years ago. Shortly thereafter it reopened as City Point Restaurant, but went out of business after only 3 months. Was then converted to 4 apartments, owned by a succession of slumlords; foreclosed on a couple of times, became very dilapidated. New owner bought & fixed it up last year. So far, so good. The house that was set back between Garrity's home & the restaurant [in front of which I think they had outdoor dining] burned down about 18 years ago, & one of the two small houses across the street i.e. the one owned by the Coon Club [a prohibition era drinking club] also was torn down c. 15 years ago. At that time DeStefano was very into tearing down the innumerable abandoned buildings, but today they try to rehab them. Took a big chance moving here back then, many abandoned buildings in City Point. But we paid only $40,000 for our 4 bedroom/2 bath house, and figured the neighborhood couldn't get any worse, so it had to get better. And it has! [They still could do a better job with the snow plowing...]
written on 09-Feb-2009
Stephan Kiehn says:
To Kathryn: My mother told me she heard about a guy who died on the railroad tracks and that he had an older sister called Mable. Their family came from Europe, perhaps Poland, my mother said.
written on 11-Feb-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Hi, I've never heard of the story you mention about the railroad track death. It must have been before my time perhaps?
written on 12-Feb-2009
Bobby Weber says:
Kathryn,Bobby Ford was killed in 1955 or 56. Mr.sister Doraine went to St. Peters with you in her class. Got out in 60.Don't know of any other boy killed. There was a hispanic child killed in the 70's near the bridge at the end of Rossett St.I think it is Edgar st. but could be wrong. Its at the end of Lamberton St.where you have to go left,near the old train turn-table...
written on 13-Feb-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Yes, the Bobby Ford one is the one that I was referring to. I remember hearing about that. Thanks for the info.
written on 13-Feb-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Hi:, sorry, but I can't seem to remember Doraine. I wish I could see her in my mind, but I'm drawing a blank.
written on 23-Feb-2009
Bob Weber says:
Kathy,did your family work on the NY, NH and Hart. Railroad ? Chis,I drove all over the neighborhood last week and its looks great. I see on 4th St. they had put a new home up where the Daltons used to live and the new siding had been spray painted by kids. Thats a down right shame. Looks like some people don't want their area to like nice.. Your home and the Hulings house look good. The house next to the apts. has a small porch now. Used to be like the Hulings but only 2 steps. Talk again later
Bob Weberwritten on 25-Feb-2009
jerry weber says:
I have to jump in on this- I delivered newspapers for 5 yrs. all over city point- had 125 customers- loved them all- I was a terrible alter boy and drove Father Flanagan crazy- Tommy O'Day, Sammy Grestini, The Accabos and the Knights were good friends- we were in a High School fraternity- ATP-- the greatest times of my life- I just returned from a 5 yr. stint overseas- 3 in Japan- 1 in Korea and 18 months in the Middle East--good to be home and the comments make me miss the Hill even more- my brother Bobby Jim was the King of the Hill but I was the prince- thanks so much for sharing.
Jerry Weberwritten on 25-Feb-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Yes, my father Daniel Ahern and his brother Bill Ahern worked on the railroad.
written on 28-Feb-2009
Bobby Weber says:
Cathryn,My father and his brother worked on the railroad and knew your family very well. My father was also a bartender at just about every bar and grille in the Kimberly Sqr. area. Just goes to show that it is a small world. He worked at O,Connells,Priors,Johnny Morans,and Gooleys for a short while. Wish the good times never ended..Does anyone remember the old Matty and Rays bar on 1st St. between Hallock and Howard. It was closed when I was young and we used to use it as a club house..I think Seemless tore it down in the mid 50's.
written on 02-Mar-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
That wasn't there when I was growing up; must have been before my time.
written on 04-Mar-2009
Christopher Schaefer [editor] says:
In response to Jerry Weber, who attended St. Peter School with John Galvin & was wondering why Galvin Park [at the corner of First & Greenwich] was named after him. This is what the plaque on the park fence says:
Galvin Park is named for John Galvin (1911-1954), a lifelong resident of New Haven. John Galvin was a vibrant part of the community and active in many civic organizations. John Galvin served seven successive terms for the Board of Alderman [sic] and eventually became president of the Board. John Galvin also distinguished himself in serving on the Board of Park Commissioners. Mayor Richard C. Lee called him "a warm personal friend, a fine family man, an upstanding servant of his country."written on 04-Mar-2009
jerry weber says:
It must have been John and Mary's Father. I am 59 and attended school with both of them. I cheated off Mary's work at St. Peter's- she was so bright- I guess that continues today- I hope John is well- thanks for the info- very helpful
jerry weberwritten on 19-May-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
A website vistor writes:
"Dear Chris
Thank you for sending me the website [Updates]. I grew up with my brother and twin sisters at 275 Greenwich Avenue. We were the Cassella family. Dad was Pasquale (Pat), mother, Vi, brother Peter, Twins Katherine and Judith ....we attended St. Peter's School then I went to St. Mary's High School...(we are having our 50th class reunion this year)...my how long ago that seems.
My sister, Judy, married John DeMartino from the Point. They now live in Palm Springs, CA but are visiting in West Haven for the months of May and June. They are at my youngest sister's house. Her name is MaryAnn Cassella Lipsett. She is 18 years younger than I and always lived in West Haven as my family moved to West Haven in the 1950's.
I appreciate all your hard work and look forward to any news you have about "The Point." Life was simple and beautiful ....we had our loving families and beautiful gardens.
Patti Cassella Treat
written on 19-May-2009
adichello says:
My Sister and family lived @ 276-278 Greenwich The Onofrios
written on 19-May-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
To: Patti
I went to St. Peters (class of 1960) with Peter Cassella. I went to St. Marys and graduated in 1964.
Kathryn Ahern Friedlandwritten on 20-May-2009
Patti Treat says:
kathryn Friedland
Peter Cassella is my brother, lives in Meriden and now works at Quinnipiac University. He is hilarious and a wonderful person. He is widowed and visits me in Rhode Island frequently. We are fortunate enough to live near the water and my husband and brother love boating activities.
I usually do not use the computer all that much...it intimidates me!! However, my son, Mark Treat, just wrote a book on IT and it went on Amazon.com about a month ago...
My husband's family owns the Treat farm in Orange and he has a lot of CT history in a Treat book.written on 20-May-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
My daughter attends Quinnipiac University. She starts her senior year in the fall. What position does Peter have at Quinnipiac? My cousin, Danny Gooley, is the baseball coach there. He's been there for a long time now.
written on 26-May-2009
jerry weber says:
Danny and I played little league baseball together. One time he threw me a knuckle ball that went over the third base dugout. He was older than me and went to school with my sister- Doraine. Please give him my best- and remember everyone should be able to bunt- his brother Ray taught me that!
written on 27-May-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
wow, that's a great story. I actually don't get to see Danny too often myself. My brother sees him more often. I live in Vermont, but my daughter goes to school at Quinnipiac, but I will certainly mention that to him the next time I do see him. Danny was sure into baseball. I think he had a baseball glove in his hand when he was two years old. I think he surely could have played professionally.
written on 04-Jun-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
website visitor Robert McNeil writes: "Hi; I was just introduced to this site and will enjoy it completely. Thank You ! I grew up on 58 Sea Street from 1931 and am naturally familiar with all. Worked as a deck hand on the Mollie M., the oyster boat owned by my father of The McNeil Oyster Co. Went to Kimberly Ave School ; went to The Fourth Street Methodist Church. Got this site from Barbara Bradley Peterson who lived at 57 Sea Street. Richard Wedmore is a second cousin and we grew up together. I live on Cape Cod in the town of Dennis. In my spare time, and to teach myself typing, I have written my memories consisting of 60 pages. Thank You again. Well Done."
written on 16-Jun-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
website visitor John B. Crowther says:
My great grandfather, Thomas Thomas, was the original owner of the Thomas Oyster Company, from about 1870, until his death in 1918. My grandfather, John William Thomas, succeeded to ownership with his brother, Robert, and four sisters (all of whom he bought out), and operated the company as its sole owner, with the help of his son, my uncle, Thomas George Thomas, until his retirement in 1956. The last two oyster boats which I recall being owned by the Thomas Oyster Company (from circa 1945 to 1956), were the 50 foot diesel dredge, "Breakwater", and the 75 foot diesel dredge, "Glorida B" (which was purchased from Mr. Bayless, Oyster Bay, NY). I can recall spending many happy summer days on the water with my grandfather and uncle, working the oyster grounds aboard the "Gloria B", off New Haven, Savin Rock and Milford!
Thomas Thomas is reputed to have been the first deep water oyster cultivator in New Haven, circa 1872 ( a year or two ahead of Henry Rowe), and pioneered the planting and harvesting of oysters outside the New Haven Harbor breakwater. Born in Caernarvon, Wales, he was quartermaster on the famous clipper, Donald W. McKay, and owned gold mines in Australia and New Zealand, before arriving in New Haven. He was married to Sydney Jones. If anyone is interested, in an April 15, 1970, interview with John Kochiss, my grandfather provided a great deal of information to Mystic Seaport concerning the oyster industry in New Haven. It is available by contacting that museum--both on audio tape (where my grandmother, Irene Belcher Thomas, also interjects from time-to-time), as well as in transcript form.
Thomas Thomas lived at 60 Sea Street, where John William Thomas was born. My mother, Betty Thomas Crowther, was born at 82 Sea Street, on August 4, 1916, and was later raised at 55 Hine Street in West Haven She graduated with my father James O. Crowther (Captain of the football and basketball teams) from West Haven High School in 1934. Thomas Thomas also owned the home and lived at 96 Howard Avenue.
The photograph [on the Historic PHOTOS page, Angelo DiChello collection] is of the main building of the Thomas Oyster Company, which was built in 1874, and was located at 50 South Water Street. It was one of three buildings and two docks which comprised the Thomas Oyster Company. Originally a Christinan Mission House occupied the property, but it was moved across South Water Street when the building in the photograph was constructed. Mr. Wedmore's property was to the left (North) of the Thomas property, and I believe the Hulse docks were to the right (South). New England Dredge Company eventually purchased the Hulse property, and it later puchased the Thomas property as well.
John B. Crowther
Attorney at Law
279 East Graves Avenue
Orange City, FL 32763
(386) 775-6179
*written on 16-Jun-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
A link to a transcript of the above-mentioned interview with John Thomas may be found on this website by going to the page entitled "Four City Point Legendary Maritime Figures". Thank you for sharing this history, Atty. Crowther! I'm glad you found this website.
You, incidentally, mention another tradition regarding the sketchy history of the City Point Mission [which became the Howard Ave. Methodist Church]. According to the late Dr. Robt. Lattanzi the congregation originated with a Mrs. Eaton [who lived at 79 S. Water St.] and met in "Mr. Sperry's nearby Oyster shop". Was this 50 S. Water St.? But no such shop is mentioned in City Directories from the 1860s-70s. Some oldtimers continued to refer to 79 S. Water as the former "sailors mission" into the mid 20th century.written on 16-Jun-2009
Angelo DiChello says:
Thank You to Mr. McNeil & Mr. Crowther for the great contribution to this website which Chris maintains so faithfully!! Both of you provide such valuable info To a glorious by- gone era of our beloved City Point.
Also thanks to Doug Kelsey for his sharp memory! and Doug's great photos. I live at 35 Howard Ave this house was built in 1890 by Garrett Dunbar, co -owner of Hulse & Dunbar. I would love
to see more old photos of the shops that were around then. Recently the property @ 98 & 120 So.Water St [The old Smith Brothers later Seacoast Oyster Co.] was just sold for $6,400,000.00. Not bad in this down market! Thanks Again, Angelowritten on 23-Jun-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Remember Balber's store on corner of Fifth and Howard. Mr. & Mrs. Balber looked about a hundred years old in the early 60's. They actually had a soda for 5 cents. You took about 2 sips and it was gone. My friend Janie Cahill and I would go in there during our high school days.
written on 23-Jun-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
That's now City Point Bubbles Laundromat. [Opened as a confectionary shop in 1920s]
written on 23-Jun-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Christopher: Do you have a lot of old photos of City Point that aren't on the website?
written on 24-Jun-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
No, but I hope to be adding some of Kimberly Ave. soon [on the Kimberly Square page]. You'll notice that most of the photos on this website were sent [via email attachment] by others, so let me know if you have any old photos you'd like to share.
written on 25-Jun-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
OK, but unfortunately I really don't have pictures of City Point, which is what I would love to see. Especially, more photos of the landscape before Seamless Rubber was built. The building is still there, but do you know what business is actually in there right now? Is it an office building?
Kathryn Friedlandwritten on 25-Jun-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
Yes, it's now an office building. The original entrance on Hallock Ave. was closed off and fenced off, a new entrance placed on the opposite side, and the building is now known as One Long Wharf Drive.
written on 29-Jun-2009
christopherschaefer says:
Dennis Powers writes about Pop Jacques (Pop in the boat house) "When I lived on 42 Dewitt St. my father in the early- mid 50's took me fishing on the South Water St. Oyster Docks. Dad frequently sent me to Pop's boat house in West River Salt Marsh for fishing bait. Do you have any information on where he came from and what happened to his family? I heard that he managed a boat ride in Savin Rock. I also heard his wife died in the Marsh. I have never seen his son since.. Any information please post here.
written on 30-Jun-2009
Ed Stannard says:
Seamless Rubber (later Seamco I think) is an office building, but not a typical office building. It houses (or has--I'm not sure who's moved in or out) social service agencies, visiting nurse association, Yale Cancer Center, Literacy Volunteers, etc. When the main library was being renovated c. 1990, the library was moved there.
written on 30-Jun-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
It also formerly housed The Church on the Rock, and Gaylord Hospital's Sleep Study Center. From the inside you'd never know it once was a factory. [Its parking lot, of course, used to be a significant portion of New Haven Harbor. City Point Yacht Club was just next door. I've been told that some of the houses facing that portion of Hallock Ave. have beach access rights written into their deeds!]
written on 30-Jun-2009
R. McNeil says:
Bill Jaques worked on deck of our oyster boat and as kids we were always pulling tricks on him. My brother George and I would put a crab in the basket where he sat during drifts hoping he would get bit. Bill had a problem with the sauce and was reliable on a day to day basis. Many nights he would show up at our door in a taxi asking my dad for an advance. Some of the jail birds used as deck hands were so fortified they would work on deck in the winter stripped to the waist. I think his life was a sad story as the house boat also was lost by fire.
John Thomas was a fire ball with a cigarette constantly in his mouth. He couldn't get enough speed out of the "Breakwater" and was constantly changing the propeller or engine. She was so overpowered her stern was half underwater when he opened her up. I worked in the Thomas shop on occasion.
The Mollie M. was our boat of 50' and 13 tons so we were on the small side and had one of the only gasoline engines of 42hp. We couldn't pass anyone which bothered me and we kept a stove fire on during the winter so had to be very careful with gasoline. We would gas up by carring the gas down the dock in cans and pouring it directly into the tanks. Dangerous stuff.
Enough for now; Nice to meet you allwritten on 30-Jun-2009
Angelo DiChello, says:
Great interesting stories Mr. McNeil. Some of the photos I have on
here are copies that came from Dotty McNeil and Millie Bradley who
also lived on So. Water St. Looking forward to more of your stories Thankswritten on 01-Jul-2009
Tom Hines says:
Hello Robert McNeil,
I grow up next door to George McNeil at 60 Sea St. As a kid I used to love to talk to George, he always had great stories. But what I liked best was when he would pull out his pictures. I have seen them now on the Mystic Seaport site and they bring back memories.
I remember George having what was probably the last coal furnace on the street. One day I came home from school only to see a mountain of wet garbage in front of our house. It was trash day, and it seemed that George had put his coal ashes out early that morning. But apparently there were some hot coals mixed in with them. Realizing what they had just dumped into the truck, the trash guys decided it would be better to dump the truck in front of our house rather then have it catch fire. So dump it they did, and then it started to burn. So the fire dept. was called, and after giving it a good soaking, they left it there overnight, just to make sure it was out. The older folks were not very happy, but us kids thought it was a riot!written on 01-Jul-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
I just got off the phone with former City Point resident Doug Kelsey who says that Pop [Bill] Jacques for a time lived at no. 103 S. Water St.. He owned 5 or 6 rowboats which were moored on a dock where the restaurant now sits. In the late 1930s Doug used to rent one of Pop's boats on Sundays and take a girl he was dating at the time out to a sandbar and back. [The girl went by 2 names: Juanita Hauser & Pat Rohr of S. Water St.]
Doug also owned a 12' sailboat which he moored where ever he could "without being bothered" [didn't need a permit back then!]. The McNeil Oyster Co. also owned a place in Clinton, so Doug would sail to Clinton to visit relatives [his ancestors founded the town], spend the night in one of the McNeil buildings, then sail back to New Haven the next day.
Doug remembers not only the store that Charlie Eaton ran out of the basement of 19 Howard Ave. [Doug often bought a candybar there], but also the store on the opposite corner at 99 S. Water St.: Libson's.
This editor recalls that about a year ago repair work was being done on the porch of 99 S. Water St. The beadboard porch apron was removed, revealing the old basement storefront [originally a raised "oyster house"-style cellar], which appeared to have been covered up for many years. Unfortunately, after the porch repairs were made, the original cellar entrance was covered back up with new beadboard. [This underscores a major flaw in New Haven's "Historic District" regulations which require one to replace "like with like", rather than undo later alterations. Thus the regulations simply preserve that portion of City Point south of I-95 as it was c. 2001, while providing little incentive for anyone to actually do historic restoration & preservation.]written on 01-Jul-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
City Point resident Angelo DiChello writes about several City Point buildings:
The commercial building that currently houses "City Point Bubbles Laundromat" at the corner of Fifth Street & Howard Ave. was at one time a store called "Freddy's" run by the Balberts, who named it after their son. "When I was about 7 or 8 it was a big deal for me to go by myself to buy packs of Squillo cigars for my dad: 25 cents for a two-pack... My dad would give me extra for ice cream, so it was worth the trip." [Editor's note: when the building opened in 1925 it housed George Stavrides' "confectionary" aka candy store.]
"Where the [Micro Society Magnet] school is on Fifth & Hallock, the road ended there, and I watched them tear down an old wooden building that was a commercial laundry. Not sure if it was Majestic or Monarch." [Editor will look up the name in a 1960s directory unless a reader remembers.]
Angelo also comments on the Seamless [Seamco] Rubber Co. factory. He points out that when it was transformed into an office building a sixth floor was added. Before Seamco moved to Virginia "the 5th floor was cool: part of a shop where [Seamco] made molds and patterns. Wish I had taken pictures." He & Buddy Emerson received permission to salvage some of the bricks when the factory power plant was demolished.`written on 01-Jul-2009
Bob McNeil says:
Hi to Doug Kelsey and Tommy Hines. I remember you Tommy. You married Mary Catherine. Doug; you must be a little older than me. I do remember the Kelseys. Where was your home? The other store across from Charley Eaton's was Libsons run by Mr&Mrs Libson. Charlie Eaton had no slicing machine so when we got balony for sandwiches he used a knife and the slices were 1/2' thick. "Don't lean on the glass counter when looking at the candy." Stay tuned
written on 02-Jul-2009
christopherschaefer says:
A few more comments regarding Libsons store at 99 S. Water St. Although the building has a raised cellar like the oldest [c. 1847-c. 1850s] houses on S. Water St., if you compare maps on the Historic MAPS page of this website, you'll notice it appears for the first time on the 1888 map. When the oldest buildings were constructed, the high tide came within a few feet of the cellars, so oysters could be processed there. By c. 1860 a wooden bulkhead had been constructed, the area behind it filled in and paved with oyster shells to create South Water St. [The first photo on the Historic PHOTOS page shows this bulkhead.] So by the time 99 S. Water St. was built, oyster processing had been relocated to the barns [such as the Thomas building that now sits at Mystic Seaport, & long-neglected, dilapidated 110 S. Water St., recently purchased by a Bridgeport yacht club.] So the first commercial use of 99 S. Water likely was as a store such as Libsons, [the raised cellar designed simply as protection from an unusually high tide] thereby adding to the building's uniqueness in City Point's history. [Unfortunately, city directories prior to 1907 are indexed exclusively by names, with no listing by street address, adding to the challenge of researching a building's use. It's lamentable that the city's Historic District Commission is unable to provide any direction or assistance based on both architectural and neighborhood history. Such assistance could have prevented the well-intentioned re-concealing of Libsons with a duplicate of the c. 1950 coverup. Also, someone a bit more knowledgeable about building materials could have pointed out that pine beadboard is not a suitable material for direct weather exposure, e.g such as a porch apron. Its only traditional exterior use is as a porch ceiling, which is relatively protected.]
written on 02-Jul-2009
christopherschaefer says:
I also want to give a special thanks to Robert McNeil, Atty. Crowther and everyone else who has posted bits of neighborhood history on this FORUM page [or under various photos]. This is the sort of Local history [to which I am particularly partial] that one cannot find in the Land Records vault or the New Haven Museum's library.
On my last emailed "Update" I forgot to give kudos to Doug Kelsey for steering me in the right direction regarding the disappearance of the West River salt marsh. Maps as far back as 1895 show the Boulevard connecting to Sea St., and the marsh filled in. Doug, who lived here as far back as the 1920s, clearly remembers there being only a sewer pipe [for a planned future extension of the Boulevard], with water still extending behind Greenwich Ave. up to about Third St. That sent me looking for a map of the sewer system[!] and, sure enough, that map showed everything to be just as Doug described it. If it hadn't been for his help, I and future generations would have an inaccurate idea of the way it was.
Anyone who does not receive my occasional "Update" email, highlighting recent additions to this website [which frequently has new material added to it] and would like to be added to the mailing list should go to the "Contact the Editor of this website" page and ask to be added.written on 02-Jul-2009
Doug Kelsey says:
Bob McNeil:
The Kelsey house was #48, second house in from Sea Street (South)
Want to share your mothers' maiden name as I might be related?written on 02-Jul-2009
Bob McNeil says:
Doug Kelsey, I had the feeling the Kelseys lived on Howard Ave south of Sea St. My mother came from Greenport , L.I. .and was a Peterson. Dad met her on a boat trip with Wes Bradey.
written on 03-Jul-2009
Tom Hines says:
Bob McNeil,
You have me mixed up with my older brother Charlie Hines. Charlie married Mary Catherine Whalen. After my mother passed away in 1962 I came to live with Charlie and Mary, next door to George.written on 03-Jul-2009
Bob McNeil says:
Sorry Tom, my bad. My dad was a great talker if he liked you, and I heard the stories again and again. My dad told me Wally Whalen and some other boys hung some ladies underwear on Charlie Eaton's flag pole and tied off the rope so he couldn't let them down. Remembering Charlie, he must have had a fit. I just had a long conversation with Doug Kelsey. What an interesting man; we renewed many memories.
written on 03-Jul-2009
christopherschaefer says:
Please be sure to continue sharing those memories on this FORUM page!
written on 06-Jul-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Interesting remembrances. Before my time, but nonetheless, great community cultural info.
Christopher, do you have any idea of how far the water came up towards Greenwich Ave? St. Peter's lot, which I assume was completely under water? I can't even picture it.
Kathryn Friedlandwritten on 06-Jul-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
If you look at the 1867 Map commissioned by Hallock's heirs, & the 1868 New Haven WALL map [on Historic MAPS page] you can see that the water extended behind Greenwich to a point approximately between FIrst & Second Streets, i.e. just past the north side of the old Kimberly Ave. School [and therefore covering all of the land upon which the "new" stone St. Peter Church, convent & school later were built].
written on 06-Jul-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Thanks and I will look at them, but I have a hard time reading these old maps. Do the wavy lines mean water?
I wish I could see them for real. It would be great to look at them.
Thanks for your help.written on 06-Jul-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
yes, the wavy lines mean water.
written on 07-Jul-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
Re. the 1867 Hallock map: I know of only 2 copies in existence. The original, filed with the City Clerk in 1868, is in a locked cabinet inside the land records vault at the New Haven Hall of Records. I had to make an appointment to be able to see it. I then had to temporarily hand over my drivers license so I could take the map upstairs to the engineering dept. where they made a copy the same size as the original. I then had to take it back downstairs, follow the clerk back into the vault, watch her lock it back up, then get my license back. At home I scanned my copy into my computer [had to do it in pieces due to the large size], then loaded it onto this website. So please take time to appreciate those wavy lines!
The only other copy is one that belonged to one of Gerard Hallock's sons [I forget which one] and is now in the library of the New Haven Museum & Historical Society. On that copy lots were filled in with a colored pencil as they were sold off. [Not many had been sold by the time the map ended up in the Museum.]written on 07-Jul-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Thanks for the info. It's really hard to believe that so much of City Point was actually under water at one time. Of course, it was a long time ago. Even when I was a little girl in the 1950's, it was already a very old neighborhood with a lot of history.
written on 08-Jul-2009
Robert Thomas says:
Great job with this site! This is the kind of micro-history that is needed to fill in the cracks and flesh out the bones found in archives and museums. I'm writing both to share a bit of information and to ask for any information that anybody might have to fill out some information about my family in City Point.
My Great-Great Grandfather, Joseph Thomas lived at 57 Sea Street in City Point from sometime in the 1880s to his death in 1932. He and his wife Mary Ann had eight children, all of whom grew up at 57 Sea Street. His son David lived at 74 Sea Street until his death in the early 1930's. Joseph was a marine engineer in the employ of Willis Smith of City Point until the death of his wife in 1898, at which point he worked on stationary engines. he was born in England in 1850, and prior to living in New Haven, he had been an engineer on one of the Red Star Line steamers running between Antwerp and Philadelphia. David at one point ran a cheese shop on Howard Avenue in City Point. In 1925, Joseph wrote a letter to his grandson about his life, including some information about City Point, which I'll quote here:
" On November the 20th (1879) I gave up the ship and came to New Haven. I went to work in the New Haven Railroad machine shop for the remainder of that winter. In March, 1880 I was offered a position by a gentleman Mr. Willis Smith of City Point. I took the job and remained on varyest (sic) steamers for 17 years and nine months. At this time I had not forgotten my church which I found a home in the City Point Methodist Church. Singing in the same for thirteen years and on the official board for a number of years by appointment of Rev. Nathan Hubble. About this time my wife died, leaving me with eight children. When I thought it would be hard to be at sea on vessels and look after my family. So I made up my mind to start in with stationary engines. So I did so, being employed in a number of prominent positions. I last finished at the New Haven Saw Mill Co. for twenty one years, and I think I have come to the finish as my age is seventy five years on Feb. twenty fourth 1925.
When I look back at my first trip to City Point, what great changes have been made. Howard Ave was one of the very poorest roads in the city, with no side walks and about five houses from the [railroad] bridge to South Water Street. Between fifth and sixth street, there was a farm house, and a pump stood where the side walk is now. The East side of Howard Ave is where we used to a get a drink of nice cold water in the summer months. At this time, the good old church was still there. This is where I had my first opportunity of worshipping in New Haven, and I think it proved out to be the best enjoyment I ever had in my life."
Hopefully someone will find this of interest, and perhaps someone will have more information about the 57 Sea Street house or the cheese shop.
Robert Thomas
Atlanta, GAwritten on 08-Jul-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
What a great story. Letters are primary historical evidence and tell us a lot about life in the past. Thank you for sharing that.
written on 09-Jul-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
I had long heard the legend of the Howard Ave. Methodist Church having originally been located at Sixth & Howard, and later moved to Fourth & Howard. I finally managed to document this in the city Land Records; a rare find, since it documents the selling of the building--without the land--and therefore technically shouldn't have been recorded in the Land Records. [You can read more about this, and see the document references, on the first page of this website "A Brief History..."] So this letter provides another definitive proof that the neighborhood legend is true.
According to City Point resident Angelo DiChello, 74 Sea St., where David Thomas once lived, also was once a cheese shop, until the house was purchased by the Fries family. [More about this later...]written on 09-Jul-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
I forgot to mention that the farmhouse that Joseph Thomas refers to in his last paragraph "Between Fifth and Sixth Street" originally belonged to Gerard Hallock [who leased it to a farmer]. You can clearly see this house on three different maps on the "Historic MAPS" page of this website: the maps of 1846, 1851 and 1868.
written on 09-Jul-2009
Robert Thomas says:
Thanks for the comments. I'm especially interested in hearing more about the cheese shop and any additional history about 57 Sea Street. Christopher, any idea when that farmhouse disappeared?
written on 09-Jul-2009
John B. Crowther says:
Just finished reading--with pleasure--Bob McNeil's June 30 and July 8 posts.
If Bill (Pop) Jacques pronounced his last name as "Jakes", then I knew Billy (my grandfather, grandmother and uncle always pronounced his last name as "Jakes", but I have no idea how he spelled his name), as a deck hand on both of the Thomas Oyster Company's boats, "Breakwater" and "Gloria B". He was a grizzled old timer, who definitely "loved his 'sauce'", as Bob McNeil put it, and the air was filled with whiffs of sweat mixed with the smell of liquor, whenever he passed you by. His voice was low and gravely, his eyes squinty, his skin leathery, and he usually had a hand-rolled (and not too well rolled at that) cigarette dangling from his lips. When I was a young boy, Billy's appearance, speech and dress were somewhat disconcerting--something like a merry pirate with a twinkle in his eye. I always thought that if a casting director had ever laid eyes on him, Billy would have made millions as Captain Long John Silver in a City Point rendition of Treasure Island. It was my understanding that he often slept on or about the docks and buildings at 50 South Water Street.
The last I remember hearing of Billy was at my grandparents' home in the month of November in the late '50's or early '60's, I think. I recall my grandfather and grandmother remarking that Billy was locked up in the County Jail in New Haven. It seems that just before Thanksgiving he had taken a croker sack, filled it with stones or shells or something, and had thrown it through the the front window of one of the downtown New Haven department stores (Malley's? Shartenberg's?). He was arrested, and with his past minor--though apparently numerous--brushes with the law, he was escorted into the warm recesses of the jail, just in time for Thanksgiving dinner and a warm bed! Smart man, Billy was!
I was not much of a fan of the boat, "Breakwater". Among other things, she had a pot-bellied stove in the wheelhouse and, as a young boy, I burned myself pretty well on the hand when I accidently backed into it. Never forgave the "Breakwater" for that.
One final note to Bob--you are right, my grandfather, John W. Thomas, was quite a smoker! At least until the mid-50's when he returned from visiting the family in Wales and his sister, Catherine, in California. He quit smoking, cold-turkey, but remained a "ball of fire" up to his death at age 88, on June 7, 1970, at his home in West Haven.written on 09-Jul-2009
christopherschaefer says:
Regarding the farmhouse between Fifth & Sixth St.: it's missing on the 1888 map. By 1891 construction of Bay View Park had begun at that site.
Doug Kelsey tells me that Pop [Bill] Jacques pronounced his name "Jakes".written on 09-Jul-2009
christopherschaefer says:
Regarding two of the Thomas' houses: a 1999 publication by the City Point Historic District Study Committee states that 74 Sea St. is the Lozelle Foote house, built c. 1886. However, you clearly can see this house on the 1868 Wall map. [Unfortunately, that 1999 publication is full of similar errors and gives no references or sources, so is of minimal use for research purposes.]
57 Sea St. is missing on the 1879 map, but does appear on the 1888 map. So this helps narrow my search period when I next have time to get to the Hall of Records. [Only the last 50 years of land transactions are on their computer, so when researching farther back, one first needs to make an "educated guess" regarding the time period. Then one has to look up the current deed of a property next door, since the lot boundary description of the house next door usually will refer to the original owner of the property one is trying to research, e.g. :"...and bounded on the North, 75 feet more or less,by a piece of property currently or formerly owned by Mary Smith..." Then the final step is looking up the name "Mary Smith" in the land record index for the years you've narrowed it down to. If you're lucky, and are able to read faded, 19th century script, [and aren't allergic to the musty smell of the old books], you'll find Mary Smith with volume and page number of the house's original deed. [You also have to remember to bring lots of cash: the parking garage costs $6 an hour, and you'll be in that Land Record vault awhile!]
Researching City Point properties mid 1860s and earlier [i.e. South Water St., some of Sea St., and some of the first block of Howard Ave] is much more of a challenge. From mid 1830s to mid 1840s Gerard Hallock basically owned the entire Point. When he began selling property [and those buyers subsequently divided and resold plots] boundary references are less clear, frequently with identical physical descriptions for completely different parcels, and often refer to landmarks that no longer exist, e.g. "a cart path", "the high water mark" . A significant challenge, but not insurmountable if one has a LOT of free time!
I'll also try to find out more about that cheese shop by looking at old City Directories. [But first I need to finish painting my house!]written on 09-Jul-2009
Bob McNeil says:
Nice Memories John; Bill "Jakes", to thrill the kids would take a kelly " bait fish" and bite its head off and then eat it. The kids would say, uck.
Speeking of uck . My dad told the story that as a boy he would race down the dock to greet his dad, "my grandfather" when his boat came in. The reason was to check the lunch pail for leftovers. On day he found a piece of pie and put the lunch pail on his head and ran up the dock shouting "I've got a piece of pie" and ran off the dock into the low tide mud. He was know thereafter by others including Capt. John Thomas, as "Uckie". He took it well as almost everyone else in those days had a nickname. People in those days were not so sensitive as they are today. Do you know what your grandfather's nickname was John?written on 09-Jul-2009
John B. Crowther says:
Bob, I'm almost afraid to ask what my grandfather's nickname was. He always used to get a kick and laugh with all of us 12 grandchildren about how the Thomas name came about, and said it was because an ancestor had once owned a donkey, hence "Tom's Ass" became "Thomas". But, unless that was his nickname, I have no idea what it might have been. Do tell!
written on 10-Jul-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
To Bob McNeil:
On the 1868 Wall map on this website the last house on the east end of S. Water St. is labeled "McNeal" [with an "a"]. Ethnic names often were misspelled or later altered, so could this have been an ancestor of yours? It shows a house, but no oyster barn of the same name across the street.written on 10-Jul-2009
Bob McNeil says:
The house on the east end of South Water Street was referred to as the McNeil house. The other McNeils who settled in City Point were my grandfathers siblings from Nova Scotia. One man worked on the railroad. The others were boatmen. J. Crowther, was your grandfather a Thomas and related to the Thomas Thomas of the oyster business?
I have been trying to encourage Barbara Bradley of 57 Sea St; Bob Fries of 74 Sea St ; and Dick Wedmore; all past chums of mine to get involved in this site. I remember trucks in the cheese business at #74 and how deep the basement was.written on 10-Jul-2009
John B. Crowther says:
In response to your question about Thomas Thomas, Bob--yes, Thomas Thomas was my great grandfather, the father of John W. Thomas and six other children (T. Robert Thomas, Phoebe [Wells], Ethel [Harmon], M. Catheryn, Letitia, and Sydney [Corbly]). My grandfather had four children (Thomas G., Betty [Crowther], Sydney [Kelsey], and Ann [Doolittle]). I am the eldest child of Betty Crowther (and second eldest grandchild of John W. Thomas). So you can see where I fit in the picture.
Incidently, my uncle, Thomas G. Thomas (sometimes called "George" or "Skip"), whom you may have also known (born 1915) worked day-to-day with my grandfather in the Thomas Oyster Company until the company closed down at City Point. He died in 1971, leaving three boys (Thomas, William, and John), who are the present owners of the Thomas Oyster Company. The other lineal descendants of my grandfather, Thomas W. Thomas, in my generation, are my cousins, Thomas F. Kelsey, Suzanne Kelsey, George Doolittle, Sidney J. Doolittle, Gladys Doolittle, Betty Doolittle, James T. Crowther, and Paul Doolittle. That should total 12 grandchildren for John W. Thomas.written on 10-Jul-2009
John B. Crowther says:
Ooops! One mistake--Dr. James T. Crowther is my younger brother, not my cousin. Sorry!
written on 11-Jul-2009
christopherschaefer says:
You write that Thomas, William and John "are the present owners of the Thomas Oyster Company." Is there still such a company in operation and, if so, where, or does it still exist only "on paper"?
written on 11-Jul-2009
John B. Crowther says:
Hi, Chris. The Thomas Oyster Company definitely exists on paper, with a business address in Branford, CT. To the best of my knowledge, the officers of the company are my cousin, John George Thomas, President; my aunt (widow of my uncle, Thomas G. Thomas), Agnes M. Thomas, Treasurer; and my cousin (graduate of the Merchant Marine Academy and retired 4-striper), William Miller Thomas, as Secretary. At the time of the death of my grandmother, Irene Belcher Thomas (widow of John W. Thomas), in November, 1970, it was my understanding that the business was left to my uncle, Thomas G. Thomas, and that it subsequently passed to his sons. I believe that one or more of the old oyster grounds are still owned by the company, and that they may have been leased to the State of Connecticut for experimental purposes involving the re-planting and re-growing of oysters, but do not know if there have been any successful "sets". As for whether the company currently engages in an active business, I do not know for sure. Some time ago I did see an advertisement which indicated that it could be involved in fishing.
written on 11-Jul-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
I just pasted this from a Google search:
Contact Information about Thomas Oyster Co Inc
Address: 5 Wilford Rd
Branford, CT, 06405
Phone: 203-488-4919
Products Description:
Whole Fish/Seafood Fresh fish, Frozen fish, Shelf stable fish, Shellfish, Aquatic invertebrates, Aquatic plants
written on 13-Jul-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
I would be interested to know the reason why the oyster business ceased at City Point. I have done a lot of reading about New Haven Harbor and the fact that the oyster business was damaged by pollution and an increase in starfish population? Is this accurate? Can any one provide confirmation of this?
Thanks
Kathryn Friedlandwritten on 13-Jul-2009
Bob McNeil says:
To Kathryn Friedland.
The oyster industry in Connecticut peaked around the end of the 19th century and the early 20th. The business was a major industry and created millions of dollars. It created a lot of jobs for people who were not afraid to work and many women worked opening oysters. Many were immigrants from Europe. The job involved standing all day chipping the edge of the oyster and inserting a knife to open the oyster. It was a dirty job and I guess they got around .25 to .50 cents a quart.
Oystering is similar to farming. The oyster bed had to be prepared by spreading empty shells from previous harvests over the bed in July. If all conditions of the water and weather were satisfactory the mature oysters growing in other beds released a milky substance called spawn and after a few days attached to the planted shells. In Sept. the oysterman tested his ground to see if they had a " set". The new oyster was the size of a pin head. I have seen a single shell with 20 to30 new oysters on it.
Some years there was no set at all so all the work preparing the bed was lost. There were some good sets around the 1930 s and 40 s.
I think like farmers the oyster beds were overworked and the waters in New Haven Harbor where the setting grounds were located became polluted from the waste water from the City and factories. Also the star fish and drills could eat a whole bed of oysters in a couple of weeks. Oystermen fought the invasions with many tools including mops which were dragged across the beds that entangled the stars which were killed. The new sets were fewer and fewer and the industry in New Haven failed. The natural oyster beds off Bridgeport where limited marketing was observed also suffered but survived and some oystermen switched to clams.
I now live on Cape Cod and there are oysters grown here but on a much smaller scale and in a different method. Thanks for askingwritten on 14-Jul-2009
John B. Crowther says:
Hi Kathryn:
Bob McNeil about covered it all, and did a great job it in his explanation of what caused the Connecticut oyster industry (particularly at City Point) to fade away. I've also heard the old-timers complain about the loss of marsh lands through dredging and filling as possibly negatively impacting the industry (seems that some felt the marsh lands helped to act as natural filters for the pollutants pumped into the Sound as well as for water runoff high in nitrogen from fertilizers). Oysters also seem to spawn best spawn best in "brackish" water--the higher salinity the less likely the young oyster larvae (called "spat") will attach to the "planted" shells on an oyster bed. Less fresh water entering the Sound causes the salinity to increase. Water temperature is another factor--and higher temperature is definitely not a plus!. My grandfather complained that storms, particularly the hurricane of 1938 (and to a lesser extent the hurricane of 1955), shifted the bottoms and caused sand to cover up the beds, smothering the oysters. Try to Google "State of Connecticut shellfish regulation". It should take you to the Connecticut Department of Agriculture, where you can click on the Bureau of Aquaculture & Laboratory Services. There you will be able to see quite a bit of information concerning the current shellfish industry (example, oyster ground leases bring in nearly a million dollars a year to the state), which seems to be making somewhat of a comeback despite all adversity, including the fairly recent parasite problems which the old-timers, fortunately, did not have to contend with to a great extent.written on 17-Jul-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
I was looking at the photos of the jazz picnic at Triangle Park. Where is that park located?
written on 17-Jul-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
Where South Water St. & Sea St. merge. If you go to the "Historic PHOTOS" page, the first photo shows the house that once stood on that spot.
written on 20-Jul-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Thanks.
I remember there was a baseball field down that way. Is that still there?written on 21-Jul-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
Not on Triangle Park. [Perhaps you will recall when you were a child that some of the foundation of the house that once sat there still was visible just above the ground's surface.] The baseball diamonds are nearby, on the edge of Bay View Park, just behind the odd-numbered houses at the end of Sea St., & also facing that portion of Hallock Ave.
written on 21-Jul-2009
Doug Kelsey says:
There was a baseball field South of Sea St. North of South Water St. West of the houses on the south end of Howard Av. & East of the city dump. A group of young fellows hauled many many many loads of sand from the beach to build it. Now all that is there is a group of high rises [condominiums]. I was one of those fellows. The others were Frank Caso, Kenny Sweeten, Teddy Roman, Jimmy McHugh, Luke McGovern,Babe Donovan, Dicky Messner, Wally Sejko, Bob Kelsey, Nick Caso, & Phil Jalbert.........................
written on 21-Jul-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
There's a photo of Doug & the above-mentioned team mates of the City Point ACs [Athletic Club] on the Historic PHOTOS page of this website, from the collection of Doug Kelsey.
written on 22-Jul-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
I don't know any of the people mentioned above, but thanks for the history.
I'm not old enough to remember. But I do remember walking around City Point with my friends: Rosemary Fahy, Joey Maynard, Carol Curley, Jane Cahill, Lois Haddad.
We all have our own time period.written on 24-Jul-2009
Mary A.. O'Brien says:
I found this gem of a website about a week ago. As I have some old photos and other items of St. Peter's, I called Chris and we met so that he could take some things to consider for the website. But, reading the comments entered here sure brings back memories. I remember Jerry and Bobby Weber, Kathy Ahearn, the Casella's,Galvin's, Fahy's, Cahills, etc. My mother was a teacher and organist at St. Peter's. I was up on Grant St., the afternoon Bobby Ford was hit. Father Ploude ran up from the rectory to see what he could do. Everyone was out on the street so upset at what had happened. He was in my class at St. Peter's. Haddad's grocery store was across from St. Peter's Church. I used to buy at bottle of Pepsi for 10 cents and a 2 cent deposit. A pack of gum was 5 cents. The Howard Theater was the place where we would smoke. Clark Dairy was the place for ice cream sodas. What about that baseball rivalry between St. Peter's and Sacred Heart? When I was little my dad used to take me to Bay View Park so I would go on the swings. That would have been late 40's, early 50's. It was a beautiful,, tranquil place back then. I'll continue to read the messages posted to this site and will probably put in my " two cents" every so often. God Bless....
written on 24-Jul-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Hi Mary:
What year did you graduate from St. Peter's? I graduated in 1960.
I sure remember your mom. I remember going to choir practice and I remember you had a sister Coleen.
Where do you live now?written on 25-Jul-2009
Mary A. O'Brien says:
Hi, Kathy, I graduated from St. Peter's in 1958. I have a sister, Colleen, who graduated in '62 and a brother, Jim, who graduated in '64 (I think). Colleen and I live in Branford and so does Jim. I told him about this website and he started to reminisce about the little league field and the boys he played ball with. He also remembers going to Balber's for a lime rickey soda. There was also a family on Sea Street who kept pigeons. Their name was Giacomini. The birds used to fly into the baseball field. Does anyone remember the house that was moved up Howard Avenue to avoid demolition when they built the highway? I think the name was Morrissey and the house now sits on Howard between Sea and S. Water. It would be on the right going down Howard toward the point. It had a large stone porch, I think. Nice to hear from you. Take care.
written on 25-Jul-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
The Morrissey house is now No. 24 Howard Ave. Another house that was moved to avoid highway-related demolition is No. 111 Sea St. which is a small bungalow that formerly was located on Greenwich Ave. between Fifth & Sixth Streets.
written on 26-Jul-2009
Bob McNeil says:
I think the O'Day family lived in the house at 111 Sea St
written on 26-Jul-2009
Mary A. O'Brien says:
You're correct. The 111 Sea Street house is a small, red bungalow. Back in the 1960's I worked at Seamless Rubber Co. with a Mrs. Schenarts who lived there. The two story, one family colonial, next door at 109 Sea Street is the O'Dea house. The late Tommy O'Dea, who was an alderman back in the fifties, lived there with his wife and son. His son still lives there. There used to be a Dot McNeil who lived on So. Water St. Any relation?
Regards, Mary Owritten on 27-Jul-2009
Tom Hines says:
To Robert Thomas,
I grew up at 60 Sea St. I remember it being said that the house once belonged to the Thomas family. It was purchased by Thomas Whelan sometime in the late forties or early fifties. Along time ago I did some research on the house and I think it was Thomas Thomas who owned the house.
As for that cheese shop, here is what I remember as a kid. Tommy Whelan had a brother John Whelan who may have been the second to last, or maybe last owner. As a kid of 8 or 10 I remember hearing the grown ups talking about how John wanted to sell the business to my older brother, Charlie Hines. John was Charlies' wifes' uncle. But Charlie had landed a job with the state several years earlier and I guess he liked it better then selling cheese, and declined the offer.written on 27-Jul-2009
John B. Crowther says:
To Tom Hines:
I just read your post to Robert Thomas, and you are correct--the home located at 60 Sea Street was owned by my great grandfather, Thomas Thomas, founder of the Thomas Oyster Company. It was also the birthplace of his eldest son, my grandfather, John William Thomas, who succeeded his father as the owner of the Thomas Oyster Company.written on 27-Jul-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
Angel DiChello writes regarding No. 24 Howard Ave., formerly located where I-95 cuts through City Point:
" I was about 16 when Mr.Morrissey's sister saw me outside and asked me to walk with her to see the old homestead. I don't know her name, I always called her Mrs. Morrissey. She had retired from the New Haven Hall Of Records. She showed me where the house stood on Greenwich ave right after Fifth St. The old barn was still there and you could read the sign atop the roof 'The City Point Concrete Co.' which was owned by her brother Harold Morrissey. That sign was visible years after the company closed. One of the last walks poured was next door to me at 41 Howard. My dad talked to him when he was overseeing his crew. My dad was a Stone Mason from Italy. And on the other side of my house you can still see one of the Bronze nameplates saying 'The City Point Concrete Co 133 Greenwich ave New Haven Ct' The company is now in West Haven and called City Point Construction Co owned by Mark Healey. His sister told me it took almost two weeks to move to the house to 24 Howard Ave. The foundation Is old cinder block, not poured concrete, and the stone porch was built on site. Also, even though he owned the concrete co., his walk and long driveway are asphalt. When I worked on and off at Smith Bros. Boat Yard 98 So. Water, we named a small work Tug after him: 'The Harold E. Morrissey'. He was always dressed in a suit and tie even though retired. Us kids got a kick out of him sitting in his lawn chair while watering the grass. He reminded us of Mr. Douglas from the Green Acres TV show! He always traded in his car for a new one every two years: a new Oldsmobile. Every winter he and his sister went to Florida. The woodwork In his house was amazing: nicely varnished. It looked like a yacht interior."written on 27-Jul-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
I've always been confused by those bronze nameplates in the sidewalks: some give the address of City Point Concrete as 133 Greenwich, others say 24 Howard. So the concrete co. itself was behind the house and facing Greenwich? Is the barn the long structure still standing across the street on Greenwich, behind the small brick house just north of the highway?
written on 27-Jul-2009
adichello says:
Hi Chris From what I was told the company trucks & equip were kept in back m not sure if their was a second garage there as well. About the two different addresses on the nameplates I don't know maybe one was the shop address the other his home address after the house was moved, DBA City Point Concrete Co. @ 24 Howard Ave?
written on 27-Jul-2009
adichello says:
To John B. Crowther:
Thank you for sharing the great pictures and stories it's always a pleasure to read a post from you, Doug Kelsey, And Bob McNei....l also Tommy Hines I grew up with but even he remembers the later part of the waterfront I just heard about so its great to hear from all of you. Im hoping Kent Smith with Join the site and share his memories. Bob Fries mentioned by Mr. McNeil im hoping will join too, he worked as a deck hand for one of the company's in the Point he showed me a clipping
from the New Haven Register that he had saved a fellow deck hand's life after he fell overboard. Bob Lived
at 74 Sea St. that house had a 10' ceiling in the basement really nice and cool in the summer guess it helped
the cheese biz LOLwritten on 27-Jul-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
Sorry, I made a mistake re the bronze nameplates. Some say c. 124 Howard [I need to go find one to get correct number] and others say 133 Greenwich. So I assume the Howard address is where No 24 Howard Ave [company owner's home] used to be, with trucks etc. behind on Greenwich. Where was the old barn with the City Point Concrete Co. sign?
written on 27-Jul-2009
Roselyn ( nee-Burkhard) Kelsey says:
I knew a Mary O'Brien who lived at the corner of Grant & Plymouth Str. during my younger years 1932-1939
Could she be a relative of the "Mary O'brien" that appears in this site. I too worked at the Seamless 1940-41
thanks to Mr. Charles McGarry who lived a few doors South of said Mary. The Mary I am speaking of also
taught we younger "kids" to Tap Dance. Enough clues for now!
Doug Kelsey my husband knew Tom O'Dea when Tom lived on Sea Str.
Dot McNeil was Dorothy Morano a cousin of Dougs. Attending school with him all through the years.written on 27-Jul-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
City Point resident Angelo DiChello just sent me a photo of one of the C.P. Concrete Co. nameplates with the Howard Ave. address: it was No. 128 [i.e. that was where the house that's now at No. 24 Howard originally was located.]
written on 28-Jul-2009
Mary A. O'Brien says:
Hello Roselyn, Thanks for the information on Dot McNeil. My grandparents lived at 95 Plymouth St. at the corner of Grant St. My grandmother was Mary O'Brien, about 60 yrs old in 1932. My mother was Mary Cullen who taught at St. Peter's School. She married my father, Jim, in 1942. There was a Mary O'Brien who gave dancing lessons to people in the area. She was a friend of my mothers, but no relation. She married Joe Dowling. The McGarry's lived about 3 houses down from us. I knew them slightly. I worked at Seamless in the '60's. I hope to "talk" with you again. God Bless.
written on 29-Jul-2009
John B. Crowther says:
To Angelo DiChello:
Thank YOU for your wonderful pictures and kind comments about me and my family. When I stumbled on this website, it was your picture of the Thomas Oyster Company at Mystic Seaport that got me to post my first comment. I have numerous period pictures to share with the site, if there is room for them and if I don't overwork the editor (Chris). :^) You all have done a wonderful job for City Point's fine little community which for so long was disregarded by many in New Haven's community-at-large!
Johnwritten on 29-Jul-2009
John B. Crowther says:
To Bob McNeil:
I enjoyed our telephone conversation, Bob, and also enjoyed listening to John Kochiss' interview with your brother, George. His kind comments and remembrances of both my great grandfather (Thomas Thomas) and my grandfather (John W. Thomas), were heart-warming. Incidentally, Bob, in reading the transcript of my grandfather's last interview with John Kochiss in April 1970, less than two months before his death in June, 1970, he noted that your uncle, Dan, played a role in Thomas Thomas being the first oysterman to cultivate deep-water oysters. Apparently, Dan accompanied Thomas Thomas when he went to Branford and purchased seed oysters from Mansfield, later to be planted by Thomas Thomas on Lot 324 (could have been 234?) outside the New Haven breakwater at the Southwest Ledge. It was this set that was harvested and sold to Pell out of City Island--the first transaction involving cultivated deep water oysters in Long Island Sound! A thanks and a tip of the hat to the McNeil family from the Thomas family!written on 30-Jul-2009
Bob McNeil says:
To John Crowther or any others of intrest:
My grandfather's brother Dan was a boatman and probably was oystering in addition to building small boats in the oyster shop where he also lived. It was this building that collapsed in the "38 Hurricane". Being older he may have gotten my grandfather into oystering. Letter Heads that I have state "Established 1880".
We had a ground just outside Southwest Ledge where we would move our 2 year old oysters. The deep water helped the oysters grow but in the deep water they would be exposed to starfish. When we went "starring" my dad said I would be paid .10 cents a mop and when it was time to get paid he asked me how many mops I picked. I said " I thought you were counting". Lesson: Get it in writing. As a kid my dad let me steer the boat and as we approached the breakwater I was afraid I would hit the rocks. Of course if that old 3 cylinder engine stopped, we were in big trouble.
The interview with John Kochiss is with my father, George T. McNeil age 75 at Clinton, Ct. where my parents spent the summers in a 2 room converted oyster shop sitting directly on the dock overlooking the harbor. It was the harbor in Clinton that was used to move oysters from New Haven . The fresh water and other nutrients coming down the Hammonasset River would fatten the oysters and they were sold as "Cedar Island Oysters" .written on 30-Jul-2009
adichello says:
To John Crowther:
I'm glad Chris posted my pic from one of the family trips to Mystic, even tho my late mother-in-law hogged the shot ( i do miss her, my wife reads this site too}. So glad you came across the pic and decided to contribute to the web site. We eagerly await for any new memories and photo's that you want to share. I have some current photo's I take at work when the boats come back to the docks. They go out around 5am return around 3pm. Are those hours about the same from your days on the water? Any truth to the stories I was told that the old boat captains would take the kids from the Point who liked the water, boats etc. then if they did not know how to swim they would toss them over the rail? According to Bud & Barbara Emerson you learned how to swim fast that way! I find that hard to believe; that's like throwing someone off East Rock and saying "now see if you can fly". I f you want some recent shots of the Oyster boats I will email them to you and also Mr.McNeil I'm sure you will read this, tell Chris and he will give me the email address, since the shots are current i don't think Chris will waste space on here for those. Thanks Again,Angelowritten on 30-Jul-2009
Bob McNeil says:
The story that kids were thrown overboard is absurd. Bud Emerson was a serious boat carpenter and was too busy to do that. Barbara was one of our gang and we swam together off Jamaica Dock and she was a tremendous swimmer and could out swim all the boys. She was known as "Peanuts". We would dive off the piles and try to swim across the channel underwater. Anyone who swam in City Point in those days is lucky to be alive with the pollution flowing out of the sewer pipe before the disposal plant was built. Does anyone know if any Emersons are around.? I played ball with Hoadley and Arthur.
Angelo; I would like to see the pictures and Chris has my OK to use my EMail address.written on 30-Jul-2009
adichello says:
To Bob McNeil:
Thanks ! I always thought Bud & Barb were just making that up since I was one of only three kids in City Point who could not swim .I saw Hoad about two years ago, Bobby Emerson I see on the road all the time: he still drives for Seaboard Oil Co. Barbara did say you had to push the sewage out of the way sometimes to swim. How are you related to Dot McNeil ? She worked at St.Peter's when I attended there. Buddy told me the first and only time Hoadly ever tried to smoke a cigar was at your shop: he almost turned green . I will send the photo's when I get your email from Chris. Take Care ,Angelowritten on 30-Jul-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
I just want to thank everyone for all the photos I've been sent recently. Things have been very busy on the home front, so I'm not able to load things onto the website as promptly as I usually do. So I want to assure contributors that I haven't forgotten your photos: you will see them when I have a chance to sit down and work on this website.
written on 02-Aug-2009
John B. Crowther says:
To Doug Kelsey:
Doug, are you related in any way to my uncle, Harry D. Kelsey? His mother lived in Madison, in a home right on the South side of US 1, a little West of the old cemetery. I believe that Harry's maternal grandmother's last name was Fenner. He would have been born around 1916-17, and attended Yale for about a year. Later worked for Bell Aircraft and Piasecki Helicopter. Married my aunt, Sydney Thomas Kelsey, and had two children, Thomas Fenner Kelsey and Suzanne Kelsey.
Johnwritten on 03-Aug-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Interesting info about the hazards of swimming in City Point. It sounds pretty graphic about the sewage, etc.
I did read, however, about the pollution problem in the early 1900's. There's a lot of information about life in New Haven in the late 1800's and onward. I've read health reports from different years.
Does anyone have knowledge of typhoid oubreaks in City Point because of recreational swimming?
Kathryn Friedlandwritten on 09-Aug-2009
Ron Hekeler says:
Wonderful job on the website and interesting article in the NH Register today. I had relatives who had a house at 150 Hallock Ave, Frank and Jane Christian. I remember many wonderful times in that very interesting house. I think it is the most fascinating house I ever visited. Rooms in odd places, wonderful woodwork and wainscoting. It had a huge cherry tree in the back yard which yeilded delicious fruit in summer. I haven't been in the area in years. Makes me want to hop in the car and go exploring.
written on 09-Aug-2009
Roselyn Kelsey says:
Some of my younger years were spent living at 154 Hallock Ave. I think Jane & Frank Christian lived in the next house. I do not know their surnames, as we children always put a Mr. or Mrs.when addressing elders. A great clue you added to your note and almost verification was the 'big Cherry' tree. Many a "speaking to' we heard when we kids helped ourselves without permission. Mr. Christian (if one and the same person) had a large boat that our family often had an invitation to go out on for the day.My mom always supplied delicious food to add to the trip.I hope this is the same Mr. Christian that you knew. Sadly he was alone the years I spent at 154...
P.S.Adding to this, we did have permission to call Mr.Christian "POP" Christian per his instruction.written on 09-Aug-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
Glad you're finally able to get in a word between Doug's contributions, Roselyn.! I hope you'll add to the Kimberly Square page, since I know you initially lived over on Kimberly Ave.
written on 09-Aug-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] [http://newhavenregister.com/articles/2009/08/09/life/doc4a7e235e7299d954792714.txt] says:
If you click the web address above it will bring you to today's [Aug 9, 2009] New Haven Register article about this website.
written on 09-Aug-2009
christopherschaefer says:
Alma (Hopke) Niziolik writes: "I was born down in City Point in 1921 and just read the poem by Miss Nichols. She was my kindergarten teacher at Kimberly Avenue School, which I attended through 6th grade. Helen Knup was one of my older sister's best friends and a wonderful friend to our whole family. My mother worked in the Model Family Laundry on Hallock Avenue, next door to where we lived and sometimes I would go over there to help her. My brother was also employed there for a time. I can really relate to Miss Nichols' poem about the park. It was beautiful and I still sigh when I look at it as I traverse I-95. I remember the duck pond and the beautiful flowers and Mr. Knup was dedicated to making the park a beautiful place. We used to swing on the swings and would sit on the bulkhead and watch the water and the ships . I once was lying on the glider on our back porch at 107 Hallock Avenue when I saw a plane trailing an advertisement banner. Suddenly the plane headed toward the water and I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it plunge into the sound! We lived at 107 and then 109 Hallock Avenue until I was 19, when my mother died and we moved away. I remember May Day parties in the park (I was once Queen of the May) and how wedding parties used to circle the park and throw out candied almonds to the kids. And, yes, it's greenwitch avenue! Enjoyed the pictures too. We used to think if you lived on Howard Avenue (from South Water Street to at least Fourth Street you had to be rich! Thanks for bringing back fond memories."
written on 10-Aug-2009
christopherschaefer says:
Elaine Bellin Portnov writes: "Thanks for the memories, and I still say Greenwitch!"
written on 10-Aug-2009
christopherschaefer says:
Some reader comments added to the on-line version of the aforementioned article in the New Haven Register:
Yale Prof wrote on Aug 9, 2009 8:15 AM:
" I love city Point ! The only thing I really cant stand is the condos and the people that live in them. They are arrogant,rude and the entire place is falling apart.l also think its a good thing that John Izzo has sold, he was a very undesirable man to deal with.City point can only get better. "
Jim Tupkp wrote on Aug 9, 2009 9:51 AM:
" I grew up during the 1950's on Hallock Avenue, across from Seamless Rubber. Great neighborhood. I still go back and walk around the area. Changed quite bit, but still a great neighborhood. Great memories. I suspect the old house still has beach sand under the back porch. "
T. Shaw wrote on Aug 9, 2009 6:32 PM:
" I have lived at City Point for 25 years and have seen the changes -- some good, some not so good. The neighborhood would be better served with a lot fewer absentee landlords. "
patti cassella treat wrote on Aug 9, 2009 8:27 PM:
" My family lived on Greenwich Avenue in the 40's and 50's. Wonderful famiies with hard working parents. The sidewalks were hosed in the morning and beautiful gardens everywhere. Streets were immaculately clean and people took pride of ownership. Kimberly Avenue School and St. Peters School were attended by the local children. Great memories!! "
Peter Cassella wrote on Aug 9, 2009 11:11 PM:
" I have great memories of going to St. Peters lot to play baseball. We played there all day, then home for lunch and back to the "lot" I also remember the bon fires at the lot that were lit during the 4th of July holiday. A great time of my life living on "Greenwich Avenue" "
written on 11-Aug-2009
christopherschaefer says:
Roger Vaughn writes: "Mr. Schaefer: Your City Point history really brings back childhood memories. I was born in 1931. We lived at 22 Howard Ave from 1935 until 1940. I have family pictures of the monument in City Point Park. I remember playing in that park, sand boxes, swings, & watching the toy sail boats on the pond there. In 1940 we moved to 144 Plymouth St in what was called "the Hill"section. I went to Kimberly Ave. School. Just wanted to say thanks for the memory."
written on 11-Aug-2009
christopherschaefer says:
Another comment added to the on-line Register article:
Charles wrote on Aug 10, 2009 2:27 PM:
" I live on greenwich ave., I love the area, I love hearing about long ago. My house was built 1897. We keep a nice front yard with a lot of flowers.We are trying to keep the area up. "
[And you're doing a terrific job, Charles! editor]written on 11-Aug-2009
Bob McNeil says:
To Roger Vaughn:
I'll bet you a soda at Balbers store you must be a pal of mine when we were around 12 or 13 years old. Get my EMail address from Chris if you read the neighborhood forum.written on 11-Aug-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
To Peter Cassella:
I was a classmate of yours at St. Peters. Yes, I too remember the "lot". Spent a lot of time there myself.
Kathryn Friedlandwritten on 12-Aug-2009
Ron Hekeler says:
To Roselyn Kelsey, That is the same Pop Christian. His daughter Maureen is still around in Wallingford, and is a teacher. She is on vacation this week, but I will tell her about this site and your comments. May be you know each other.
written on 14-Aug-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
Joanne Bua Porto writes:
"Dear Chris, You found another "real deal". It's "Greenwitch" NOT "Grenich". I was born (1956) and raised in City Point, right next door to the New Light Holy Church. My address was 204 Howard Avenue. It was a typical 2 family home, owned by my mom's aunt and uncle from Sicily on the first floor and my family on the second. We had beautiful gardens in the yard with 2 fig trees, a pear tree, some kind of berry tree, dozens of different kinds of roses, flowers, a picnic table and sand box in the back, as well as a cement "fireplace" that was built by my uncle to burn the garbage. I wonder if it's still there. Our lawn was perfectly manicured and life was beautiful. I attended kindergarten at Kimberly School (Mrs. Hugo) and St. Peter's for the following 8 years. I led the congregation in song with my guitar at the folk masses at every Sunday's 10:15 service from the 5th grade until I graduated from high school. We bought penny candy at the candy store on the corner of Howard and what's now the beginning of Sargent Drive. I believe it was called Barancini's (phonetically spelled). Eddy's Food Market was our neighborhood grocer. The church next to us was Protestant when I was a young child. Later, it became a Pentacostal church. Services were VERY lively with lots of singing clapping, tamborines. The music echoed through the neighborhood on hot summer nights. Those nights were spent on our friends' porches, just sitting, jumping rope, playing hand games, and waiting for the Libby's Italian Ice truck to make it's way down Howard Avenue. I would sometimes cut through St. Peter's "Oval" or "Lot" to walk to school. EVERYONE walked, of course. It was interesting to read on your website that that gate led to a beach. Amazing! That neighborhood is so dear to my heart. It helped to shape me into the person I am today - my best friends, my school, my church, my neighbors, my family - all playing a part in my wonderful childhood memories. I am thrilled that you have taken on the task of documenting City Point. If ever I can lend a hand, please contact me."written on 14-Aug-2009
adichello says:
Hi Joanne, Nice to see you on here! remember me ? your Aunt Jo is My Aunt Vi's sister-in-law. I forgot about the Libby's Italian ice truck coming by and Mr. Softee ice cream in Aug. He would give us book covers to use for school . We also had a guy in a red step van selling star water some name brand for bleach; still have an empty bottle. Then there was George: he came by on Saturdays selling veggies out of his truck. The store you mention Barroncinni's was on Howard & First, now Tracy Fuel .Balbert's was on Howard & Fifth at the start of Sargent Drive. I had Mrs. Hugo also at Kimberly for kindergarten before my 8 year sentence at St.Peter's haha. She was very patient with me since I still spoke mostly Italian. We had no school bus down City Point, so we had to walk to Lee High School..I remember the well manicured lawn you kept and the fruit trees in back. Have a good day, say hi to mom for me.
written on 18-Aug-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
Susanne Bradley Pimer writes:
"I read the article in the newspaper, it was interesting. I would like you to know that the address 73 South Water St. was formerly the Lane Homestead that burned to the ground in 1935. The home located there now was originally a garage on the back of the Lane property. The garage was turned around and brought to the front of the property by my Father and Mother, pulling the garage forward on rollers with the help of an oil truck. They bought the property in 1945.That is where my brother , sister and I grew up until we married."written on 18-Aug-2009
Bob McNeil says:
To Susanne Bradley Pimer; Hi Susanne. My father and my family grew up with Bradleys.Thats how I met my wife. I was at my grandmothers house on South Water St when the Lane Home burned to the ground. Your dad used some of the lumber from our barn when it came down. I will never forget your dad. When I came home from Korea in 1953 I received a telegram from your dad. "Welcome Home". A great man who would help a friend.
written on 19-Aug-2009
Roger Vaughn says:
The Howard Ave. trolly line ended in front of 22 Howard Ave. where we lived from 1935 `til 1940. I can still see the conductor get out of what was the front of the trolly facing South Water Street. He would pull the pole down on this former front end where it was caught at the horizontal position by a hook. He then got back into the trolly,walked down the aisle reversing all the seats so that they now faced the new front end. Then he got out & unhooked the horizontal pole at the new front end & guided it to connect with the electric line overhead. We didn`t have to wait at any trolly stop. It came to our doorstep going out & coming back.
written on 19-Aug-2009
bob b. says:
Writing to confirm that victory gardens were planted in as we called it City Point Park during the W W II days. The planted area stretched along Hallock Ave. between Sixth St. to Sea St.( Lower section of the park ). I also recall the swings, see- saw, and slide located in the lower park section closer to Fifth St. Spent time playing cards under a large shade tree (chestnut?) across from Jack Balbers store. I also recall the Ferrie family lived on Howard and Fifth right across from Balbers. Herman Ferrie was a part owner of Howard Ave. bowling alley. He gave me many bowling pins that I brought to Truman St. school for woodworking class. We made bowling pin lamps out of them.Speaking of Truman school, I recall the walk from Greenwich & Fifth through St. Peters lot, across Kimberly Ave. up Grant St., Over the Rail Road footbridge to Morris St. to Washington Ave to Truman. At lunch time we walked home and then repeated the process in the afternoon. Many of us also set pins at the alley, and learned lessons about life. Sorry to digress, I could go on for hours about growing up in the City Point area. Chris, Thank You for this wonderful site, it has rekindled many many good memories. Hope to see postings from others of the late 30s -40s time frame. Regards, bob
written on 19-Aug-2009
Bob McNeil says:
To bob b. What year did you go to Truman? Do you remember the little store by the bridge? We would stop and get a cigarette for a penny. Kids today cant walk a block to school. No wonder they are getting fat. When you figure it out we walked about 5 miles a day, poor us.
written on 20-Aug-2009
christopherschaefer says:
[I just consolidated and moved Frank Moran's Paul Doyle's, Roger Vaughan's & Mary O'Brien's comments to the "Kimberly Ave..." page]
written on 20-Aug-2009
Tom Hines says:
To Susanne Bradley Pimer,
You probably don't remember me, I was maybe fourteen at the time. I was the kid who spent all my time at the Claude - Ann Marina . I remember your husband Mike and his father, and your brother Wes, but most of all I remember your father, Erwin. He was a great guy and kept me spell bound with some of the stories he would tell. He was also a fantastic wood carver. He showed me how to carve a chain out of a solid piece of wood. But when I actually carved one, no one believed that I did it! I still have a pair of candlesticks that he carved for my brother Charley. I also remember his boat, The "RERE", both the one he built and the last one he bought new from the boat yard. I believe the name was a nick name he had for your mom.written on 20-Aug-2009
bob b. says:
TO Bob McNeil, I estimate I attended Truman School around 1950 /1951 time frame. Was at Kimberly before that.(kindergarten-6 th. grade). Graduated Hillhouse 1955.Was born 1937 and did not leave the Point until the early 60,s. YES, i do recall the little store at the corner of Morris St. and Lamberton St. In an early post you mentioned the ODay family.I think they lived on Greenwich Ave. before moving.Their house was 1or 2 past the Morrissey house.(City Point Concrete in rear.) I plan to take a drive thru the Point this weekend,will dredge up many wonderful memories of people and places. Regards to all,Bob
written on 24-Aug-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
Carolyn Hunihan writes:
" What a marvelous job you have done with putting your site together! While familiar with the St. Peter's site (I worked on the closing of the school booklet--I'm sure you've seen it), yours was a first for me today (having read about you in the New Haven Register articles). I've spent about two hours on it today and don't dare much more before I'm kicked out of the library. I don't want to repeat what you may already know but here's a few items: Miss Louise Nichols, the [Kimberly Ave. School kindergarten] teacher and poet, was famous for driving around town in her wooden-paneled station wagon. One year, maybe about 1957, a huge movie screen (tilted toward the water) was placed in front of Eddy's Market. I think it was to show a film as a Halloween promotion. A Laundry (perhaps Monarch) was located at Fifth & Hallock. As kids in the summer we would run through the laundry (HOT!) and eat the salt tablets placed in little tins on the walls of the laundry. Nobody ever stopped us or told us to vacate! The confectionary at Fifth & Howard was called Balbers during the 50s. We had a 4-person soda fountain there and penny candy galore--it was heaven and only 2 blocks away from home! The Greenwich Ave. & Kimberly Ave. entrances to the Oval [aka St. Peter's Oval aka Kimberly Field] had little fat stone pillars there for as long as I can remember. I always thought it was to block vehicles from going into the Oval. The (old) slide taken out of the playground around the time of the highway construction was the biggest thing I'd ever seen--every summer someone broke an arm from falling off it. (I'd love to see a pix of that! I'll also be keeping my eyes open for our old pictures that may apply.) The initial tree (oak, I believe) that was cut down (in the middle of the park near the monument) was living history--until it died. I "captured" several pieces before they hauled it away and sent them out as souvenirs (one even went to Ohio! It was my last piece but they wanted it so!).... The Grant Street foot bridge--it can't possibly still be there, can it? I had friends who refused to go over it because they were afraid of getting caught in the huge knot holes. That bridge went over the railroad, and that made me think of Bobby Ford who was killed on the tracks. Other tragedies remembered back then were two boys from the area killed in a plane (one was the Pine boy). Have you ever talked to Bobby Freeman on Sixth Street about his family's residence near the original City Point Yacht Club? It was wonderful going out to visit them--it seemed like such a long walk from Hallock Avenue. I'm only going on-and-on because you obviously appreciate the fine points of the Point! Hope I shared something new for you.... Oh, and if you have any info on my old apartment house ("condos" now) at Hallock & Fourth, I'd love to know. For years I WAS SURE that WE lived in Hallock's mansion. I think I still am crestfallen to learn that we did NOT!written on 25-Aug-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
To Carolyn:
I think possibly your brother, Donald Hunihan, was in my class at St. Peters. I graduated in 1960. Is that your brother? I can't say that I know you.
I sure don't remember a movie screen in front of Eddy's. How did I miss that!
I lived on Third St, between Howard and Hallock. Yes, City Point was very nice and I have a million remembrances about family, friends, events etc.
I live in Vermont and sometimes when I go to Connecticut I drive down to City Point. It's always hard when you realize that the people of your life at that time aren't there anymore.
It's nice to read what others say about their memories.
Kathryn Ahern Friedlandwritten on 27-Aug-2009
Doug Kelsey says:
The name of the laundry at Fifth & Hallock during the 20's 30's and 40's,was
"MODEL FAMILY LAUNDRY"written on 01-Sep-2009
christopherschaefer says:
Patrick L Huling says:
I remember city point with a great affection; it was a real good place to grow up. I remember the Carlsons and the Withington families of Greenwich Ave.Also the Cohane family of Howard Ave,.as well as may other families.It was a league of nations and everyone looked out for each other, something that has gotten lost in the last few generations.I hope all who grew up in city point remember it as well as I do with the fondest memories.written on 08-Sep-2009
Dennis Powers says:
Two items of interest: Class graduation pictures from St Peters by year are posted at Sacred Heart School for those folks that might not remember all their mates.
For those who do not know this is an organization about the Hill Section. They have a banquet once a year at the Old Sea Crest restaurant over by Light House. See the net site: http://www.newhavenhillcitypoint.comwritten on 08-Sep-2009
Carolyn Hunihan says:
To Kathryn Ahern Friedland: Donald Hunihan is my cousin. I knew your brother Danny--hope he's doing well! Also, your cousin Danny Gooley. I know it was Danny Gooley's aunt (Elizabeth Gooley Curran) who wrote the society column in the New Haven Register for years.
To Bobby Weber: What, no mention of Cappy's?? And did anything else go on next door at Robbie's Antiques? When I heard you became a policeman, I thought "How ironic!" But then I figured you already knew all the tricks! About that clubhouse (Matty & Ray's bar?)--isn't that where Sam Arpino would tap into telephone lines? Glad Buddy Emerson forgave you. 'Member when he almost killed Julius with a plank when he tried to get him to come out from under the dock? Maybe you missed that day....
I'm sure that Bobby Ford had a sister named Judy. She was to be our leader in the St. Peter's processional (where the girls all dressed in white gowns and the boys in white shirts and slacks marched in church). That's how we heard about Bobby's death.written on 08-Sep-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
To Carolyn:
Thanks for responding. Were you in my brother's class in St. Peters?
He just retired; he was a teacher at Greenwich High School. He lives in Westport, CT.
I'll tell him you mentioned him.
Danny Gooley is the baseball coach at Quinnipiac University. He's been there for a while.written on 09-Sep-2009
John B. Crowther says:
To Beverly Wedmore Hall:
Wonderful photographs of your family, Beverly--I really enjoyed looking at them all! As a young boy and teenager, my grandfather, John W. Thomas, would occasionally take me next door to the Wedmore Oyster Company offices, where I got to meet and know your uncles, Dewey and Chan.
For a working boat, the Wedmore flagship, "Catherine M. Wedmore" was a real beauty, and was always well-maintained and smartly-painted. She was one of my favorites, and it is no wonder to me that she is still in service with the Bloom Brothers (Norwalk) today!
Incidently, the first picture of your great grandfather, Sargent Chancellor K. Wedmore, was of particular interest to me. He and my maternal great grandfather, Corporal George H. Belcher, both served in in the same regiment (1st Connecticut Heavy Artillery) during the Civil War--your great grandfather in Company M, and my great grandfather in Company H. No question but that they knew each other during those long, dark years of service in the South, particularly at Bermuda Hundred and during the Siege of Petersburg. His name can be found, along with the regimental history of the 1st Connecticut Heavy Artillery, and the names of all of the men who served in that unit, at an excellent National Parks Service website (Soldiers & Sailors System), at http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/.
My best wishes to you and all of your family.
John
John B. Crowther
Attorney at Law
279 East Graves Avenue
Orange City, FL 32763
(386) 775-6179written on 16-Sep-2009
Bobby Weber says:
TO C. Hunihan
boy you have a great memory.. I forgot about the phone lines, We could call anywhere.. You wre in my sisters class at St.Peters. It is so good to hear about all the old neighbors.. Thats when you could go any where and know people. I went to the boys club on Jefferson St. from 100 kimberly Ave.and walked both ways never had a problem with anyone at all. J.Morganti,H.Armstrong,P.Mason are all gone now,but we did have great times together. Had to go to West Haven to become a cop. All my friends were on the other side in New Haven. Ha Ha
Talk again later. Great stories...written on 20-Oct-2009
Shirley Thomas Denison says:
I was very excited to learn that the first meetings for the Howard Ave. Methodist Church actually began at 49 South Water Street for I lived at 49 South Water in the late 1930's and early 1940's, and became a member of the Howard Ave. Methodist Church in 1941 and was married in this church in 1951. I had never heard about its early beginnings in my former home, which my parents and I moved out of in 1943. After I married I moved out of state. Does the house at 47-49 So. Water still stand?
written on 20-Oct-2009
Shirley Thomas Denison says:
Just read the comment by Roger Vaughn about the trolleys. I recall waiting at the foot of Howard Ave. & So. Water Street on a Sunday afternoon, with my ear pressed against the pole so that I could hear the first rumblings of the trolley which sometimes brought my adored Uncle Will for a visit. I also remember Roger Vaughn, and wonder whether he remembers me. Was the candy store in a house at the foot of Howard Ave. run by a Mr. Eaton?
written on 21-Oct-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
To Shirley: You can see a picture of 47-49 S. Water St. on the "Historic Restoration in City Point" page. As you stand at the foot of Howard Ave facing the water, Charlie Eaton ran the store on the left, Mory Libson ran the store on the right.
written on 04-Nov-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
To Doug Kelsey:
Regarding a girl you knew as a teenager. Juanita "Pat" Hauser was born in 1921 and raised by George & Effie Rohr at 115 South Water St, along with their adopted daughter Millicent ("Millie") Rohr (who became Millie Bradley in marriage). Millie and Juanita regarded each other as sisters. Juanita Hauser married Edgar Beale. Juanita died in 1965 at age 44. [ Millicent died in 2005 at age 97. Information courtesy of Barbara Bradley Peterson, daughter of Millicent Bradley]written on 15-Nov-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
Richard Wedmore writes: " As a former resident of City Point (1929-1950), I have been enjoying revisiting my old haunts. You have created a wonderful website of the area and history. I am the son of Dewey Wedmore [of Wemore Oyster Co.] and I was delighted to see a photo of the home where I grew up and the old neighborhood and former friends. I will forward it to my daughters who will be very interested. I plan to revisit it often myself and hope to come in person as well."
written on 15-Nov-2009
Bob McNeil says:
Well I finally see a comment from my second cousin Dick Wedmore. That was like pulling teeth. Dick , I dont think I have your correct EMail address.
I'm up to my eyeballs here on the Cape with leaves. Instead of Cape Cod it should have been called Cape Leaf.written on 15-Nov-2009
Angelo DiChello says:
To Richard Wedmore Hi I live across the street from your old homestead
at 35 Howard I have a photo of I believe her name was Lydia Wedmore ?
From around 1974 she was good friends with my mother along with her sister Christine Schenk?
I always addressed both as Ms. Wedmore and Mrs.Schenk they loved the homemade italian cooking
and wine lol it was sad to see them move out in 1975 they were great neighbors as were Mr. Demander and Mrs. Kelsey on either side of 44 Howard.
I barely remember Chan Wedmore he was well up in age when i was growing
up but he always gave me a shiny new penny for luck when he saw me. I think
Lydia and Christine were both adopted we had that same old timken converted coal boiler
at my house as you did I can email you that pic ask Chris for my email
nice to hear from you,Angelo DiChello
written on 25-Nov-2009
Peter Cassella says:
Hello Kathryn Friedland,
Glad to her that you are doing well. Great times we all had at St. Peter's and City Point, wish my grandkids, (7)could have the good times that we enjoyed.
Nice to hear that your daughter attends QU, I tried to look her up in the directory, however, I was unable to locate her name. Is she living at the new Crescent Dorm at York Hill? I am Operations Supervisor, and she can reach me at 203-582-5272. Or, she can E-mail me at Peter.Cassella@Quinnipiac.eduwritten on 28-Nov-2009
roger vaughn says:
To Shirley Thomas Denison: Yes, Shirley, I do remember you. However, it seems to be from the Wesley Methodist Church functions such as plays, field trips, Sunday School, etc. Ring a bell? Got a kick out of your low tech ear-to-the-pole method of knowing the trolley was nearing. The little grocery store to which you refer was run by the Libsons. Their store was kind of built into a hill as I recall. We had a charge account there. I can remember my mother sending me to Libson`s who wouldn`t give me what I went there for until our bill was paid. This was during the Great Depression, of course. My father worked for Sperry & Barnes packing house on Long Wharf. They would lay him off for a while when things got slow & recall him when they picked up. Don`t know how he made ends meet. Best regards, Roger Vaughn, Naples, Florida
written on 01-Dec-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
To Peter Cassella:
Hi, thanks for responding!
She's a senior now, so she's living off campus in a house with 4 other students.
Thanks for offering your numbers, etc. The only thing she complains about constantly is the parking situation. When she goes on campus she can never find a parking space. What's the deal? In fact today she called me complaining about it. Sometimes it's so bad it makes her late for class. I would think that seniors should have priority when it comes to parking, but whatever, I'm sure the problem is more complicated.
Do you see Danny Gooley often?
Kathryn Friedlandwritten on 03-Dec-2009
Bob McNeil says:
I'm back ! Does anyone remember Stolzenbacks ( sp) store? I think it was between 3rd and 4th Street. It was in the basement of a house and Mr Stolzenback was a real old time butcher and I remember he would go into a large freezer and bring out a big side of beef to fill your order. He would hand out a treat of candy, which is something Charley Eaton would never do. Charley would sell a lot of groceries to the boats and would deliver in his wheelbarrow. I think Eddie's Market must have taken some of the trade of the others as Eddie's seemed like a super market at that time. I was supposed stop at Horn's market on my way home from school and usually forgot to stop and had to go back.
written on 04-Dec-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Way before my time. I don't remember any store between 3rd and 4th, nor do I remember a store named "Horns". Where was that?
I do remember the little store across from Seamless Rubber. We called the poor old woman who ran the store "Mrs. Tony". She looked about 100 yrs old. Don't know how she functioned. My father had told me that her husband had died. I remember she had a photo of him in the store of her husband (I presume) with a German Shepard dog.
Kathryn Friedlandwritten on 04-Dec-2009
Bob McNeil says:
Hi Kathryn; Stolzenbach's store was on Howard Ave, somewhere between 4th and 3rd. The year shoud be in the 1930"s to 1940's. His daughter delivered.
Horn's market was on Greenwich Ave around 5th or 4th. so when I cut through St Peters oval coming from Kimberly Ave School I could stop on my way home. If you lived on the Hallock Ave side of City Point you may have not known.written on 05-Dec-2009
christopherschaefer says:
In the New Haven 1934 Directory [which is on the 1934 photo page of this website] Stolzenbach's is at no. 224 Howard. Horn's isn't listed; perhaps they opened after 1934. However on Greenwich Ave, between Fourth & Fifth St. it lists Modern Grade A Bakery at no. 224 and "vacant store" at no. 220. Perhaps Horn's later occupied one of those addresses? When I next have time to go to the New Haven Museum I'll check a later Directory.
written on 05-Dec-2009
christopherschaefer says:
If you'd like to see what any New Haven property looks like today go to the following web address: http://www.cityofnewhaven.com/Assessor/index.asp In the left column click "Assessment real property database". You'll need to create a user name and password. Then you can search for any New Haven property, see its assessed value--and a [c. 10 year-old] photo.
written on 09-Dec-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
To Bob McNeil:
Did you ever know of a family on Hallock Ave, between 3rd and 4th by the name Auger; associated with a dairy.
Kathryn Friedlandwritten on 09-Dec-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
I just checked the 1940 city directory. Horn's was at 242 Greenwich [now a single-family home, although one still can see part of the store-front facade].
written on 10-Dec-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Christopher:
Can the real old directories be viewed online?written on 11-Dec-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
Not that I'm aware of (except, of course, the 1934 directory on this website). At one time a reprint was published of the very first New Haven Directory (1840). The copies which I consult are in the New Haven Hall of Records (in the land records vault, city clerk's office) and at the New Haven Museum and Historical Society (formerly called New Haven Colony Historical Society), in the society's library.
written on 11-Dec-2009
Mary O'Brien says:
Hi Kathy, Ancestry.com, which is available for a fee, also has a has a substantial library of New Haven city directories. I've used them many times in doing the research on my family. Actually, there are a lot of CT directories in their library, which also includes phone directories as well. If there is anybody you need directory information on, I'll be glad to search it for you in Ancestry. Best regards to you and your family. Have a wonderful holiday.
written on 11-Dec-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Thanks Mary; that's very kind of you. I'm interested in finding out about a family that lived on Hallock Ave., probably from the 1920's thru to the 1940's. I believe the last name was Auger, but I'm not sure. Would you be able to look into it?
written on 12-Dec-2009
Mary O'Brien says:
Hello Kathy, The only Auger/Augur I could find at CityPoint was a Mrs. Mary Augur, 72 Howard Avenue, in the 1959 City Directory. In the 1920' and 1930's there were Augers on Portsea St. The 40's library has 2 CD's which were not helpful. The 1959 record is the only one for the 1950's. If you can give me an occupation that would be helpful. I'll check the New Haven Appraisal listing to get a current look at the address and try to describe where this house is located. Let me know if you think of anything else.
written on 12-Dec-2009
Mary O'Brien says:
Hi Kathy, The house is located between Sea and Sixth Streets I think. Probably a few houses up from where the Fahy's used to live. They were in St. Peter's school, the daughter possibly around the time you were a student.
written on 13-Dec-2009
Peter Cassella says:
Hi Kathryn:
Nice to hear that the only complaint your daughter has, is with the parking on campus. Parking is a problem with so many students living off campus, and driving to classes. If she continues to have issues, have her e-mail me, and I will try to help her with her issues.
Is she all set with Final Exams this week?
Yes, I do see Dan Gooley on occassions, much more during baseball season.written on 14-Dec-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Hi Mary, thanks so much. Let me get more information. I may be way off track on this and I may actually have the name wrong. I'll try and get more accurate info.
Hi Peter:
Thanks for responding. I'll tell my daughter you offered to help. As far as exams, I think she's prepared and looking forward to getting them over with with. She leaves school on Thursday. We live in Moretown, Vermont which is about 15 miles from the capital of Montpelier. Our winters are always snowy for Christmas. It's quite beautiful for the holidays; just like a Christmas card scene.
Mary and Peter, have a very Merry Christmas!
Hopewritten on 29-Dec-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Does someone have any history on Sarah Hurd; it's great to look at photos of her. She was living in City Point two years before my father was even born; only 45 years after the end of the Civil War. I can't even imagine what life was like at that time.
written on 29-Dec-2009
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
Editor's note: Kathryn is referring to the recently-added photos on the "Historic PHOTOS" page of this website, in the collection of Barbara Bradley Petersen.
written on 30-Dec-2009
Mary O'Brien says:
Hi Kathryn, I was quickly able to find a Sarah E. Hurd who lived on South Water Street at the time of the 1920 U.S. Federal Census. She was 76 years of age (1844 approx b/d), born in CT and a widow. She lived with her daughter, Sarah, son-in-law, George Rohr, 11 yr old grandaughter, Millicent, and a boarder named Ralph Matson. There are other Sarah Hurds farther back but not in New Haven. I'll do some further digging and see what I can find. Happy New Year to you and your family.
written on 30-Dec-2009
Kathryn Friedland says:
Thank you, Mary and a Happy New Year to you and yours also.
written on 02-Jan-2010
Attorney John B. Crowther says:
Happy New Year Chris, Angelo, Bob, Bart and evrryone. May it be a healthy, happy and prosperous year for all. I was released from the Heart ICU in Sanford, Florida, on December 30, after open heart surgery on December 22, and a cardioconversion on the 29th. Everything going well, now. Talk with you soon.
Johnwritten on 02-Jan-2010
Angelo DiChello says:
To John B. Crowther, Glad everything is going well!! Heres to a speedy recovery & A Very Happy New Year to you and All The Followers On This City Point Page
written on 21-Jan-2010
Bobby Weber says:
To Sue Bradley Pimer, Hey sue,do you remember the last name of the girl who lived near the sewer plant.Her first name was Elenor.I have a picture of her and I at a Harvest Festival dance and can't for the life of me remember her last name.I think she was a year or two younger then we are...It was good to read about your Mom and Dad.They were the best and always treated us kindly..Thank you...Say hello to your sister for me,I haven't seen her in years either..
written on 24-Jan-2010
Mary O'Brien says:
Hi Bob, I don't know if this is helful or not. I went to St. Peter's with an Eleanor Pevich who lived on Sea St. several doors down from the plant. At one point the Paecht family from Grant St. lived next door (I think). Hope all is well with you and your family. Please give my best regards to your brother, Jerry. He was a great kid.
written on 03-Feb-2010
Doug Kelsey says:
Having worked for Wedmore Oyster Company in 1935,36 & 37 I'd love to find a picture of the Oyster Company on South water street. The buildings on Southwater Street and those on the pier.
written on 07-Feb-2010
Bobby Weber says:
Hi Mary,it is soo good to see the names of old friends. The girl Elenor lived on Sea St.About 3 houses on the right from the sewer plant..I still see Butch Peacht now and then.We are all a little larger..lol...Jerry is fine and works in North Carolina with the Marines. He gets on here every now and then..I will tell you you were asking for him..The girl you mentioned might be her..Memory is shot lol I have her picture,with no name....Ok take later...
written on 11-Feb-2010
jerry weber says:
Hi Mary- I'm still a good kid! I have enjoyed your comments- please give my best to you sister and brother. I had a private practice in Milford from 1978 to 1993- I worked at the Branford Counseling Center from 96 to 98 and Directed the Counseling Center at BU from 98 to 2001- when the planes hit the trade Center I went to work for the military- 3yrs in Japan, 2yrs in Korea and 1 yr in Iraq, Bahrain and Djibouti Africa. They sent me to N.C last year. I am married to a Philippina who resides in Japan and I plan to return in October when I retire. When I do get home I often walk the neighborhood- gives me a good feeling. I'm sure your mom would be surprised that I can type!!!! I delivered 130 newspapers a day in that area- and tried to eat all my profits at Cappy's corner. John Cafferty, Kimmy McGeehan, Father Garrety and your Mom go with me everywhere I have traveled "fought in two wars- been married and divorced- god is great- beer is good and PEOPLE ARE CRAZY!!!- Thanks for remembering me- my best.
Jerrywritten on 15-Feb-2010
Kerry Reardon says:
Just want to say that this is an incredible website, thank you, Christopher for putting this information out there for us! I grew up on Greenwich Ave, 97 and then 100, where my parents Patty and Jim Reardon still live. I attended St. Peter's and have so many wonderful memories of growing up in City Point and countless adventures in and around the neighborhood. I am actually now in the process of moving into a rental on Greenwich and am so excited and happy to be coming "home" and just knowing that there is still such community here is heartwarming! Can't wait to be a part of it all again!
written on 04-Mar-2010
Bobby Weber says:
To Kerry Readon, I paneled a couple of rooms in your fathers house with Eddy Houde,when he worked for the fire Dept. Great people your Mom and Dad. I think you know my son Richard who married Leigh-ann Paine. I know they attend all your dads picnics,and they are great...I wish this wonderful sight would be read by a lot more people. I love the memories..Say hello to all for me. Houde lives in NewYork now...I dated a girl named Dorrie Ramstead who lived about 1/2 block from you Dad. Haven't seen her in 50 years. How the time flies when we are having fun.Hope to talk again soon....
written on 17-Mar-2010
Kathryn Friedland says:
To Christopher:
Can you give me any info on those condos in City Point. Have you ever been in any of the units?
Kathryn Friedlandwritten on 18-Mar-2010
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
Hi Kathryn,
I've not been in any of the units. They're extraordinarily over-priced, hard to imagine an owner reselling a unit without suffering a significant loss. The newest buildings that were just finished remind me of an office tower.written on 18-Mar-2010
Kathryn Friedland says:
Thanks; when I read back through the comments I saw that a Yale professor didn't have very favorable comments about them. He said they were falling apart. Was he speaking about the same condos?
written on 18-Mar-2010
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
He probably was referring to the older units, which I think were built in the early 80s. The twin "office tower" units next door were just completed.
written on 02-Apr-2010
Kathryn Friedland says:
On Good Friday I always remember the Easter rituals; going to St. Peters church on Good Friday and sitting for three hours and not talking. I remember it was a solemn day. It was always beautiful and sunny. It wasn't a day for any celebrating, but my friends and I would go to St. Peters lot and hang out or watch the guys playing baseball. Now the church isn't even there; can't believe it.
My life seemed to be the school and the church. Although I don't know most of you on this website; I wish you all an Easter blessing.
Kathryn Friedlandwritten on 02-Apr-2010
angelo dichello says:
To Kathryn Friedland Thanks Happy Easter to you and the City Point Online Family
written on 27-Apr-2010
Theresa Pasternak says:
To Bobby Weber:
Hi! You dated my cousin, Dorrie Ramstedt. Sadly , Doririe passed away from cancer about 10 years ago. She was living in Florida with her family. Her parents are both deceased as is her brother Bobby. The only remaining sibling is her sister Susan who is well and living in West Haven.I am one of the Pasternak twins who still lives at 196 Greenwich Ave., in back of 200 where the Chambrelli family lived for many years. They moved out about 15 years ago and sold the house. Anyone remember the Pasternaks?written on 01-May-2010
Dennis Powers says:
Where are these people now:
Edward McCartney
Charles Depu
Donna Nash
Joann Flynn
Veronica Flynn
Michael Fay
Timothy Bocarri
Kathy Shaw
All from St Peter class 1960written on 03-May-2010
Mary OBrien says:
I remember your family. I lived on Kimberly Avenue on the other side of "The Lot". We could see your house from our yard. We all went to St. Peter's...you and your twin sister, Mary (?), your older sister, Rita, and your brother, Michael. I think my sister, Colleen, was in your brother's class. Your mom was always smiling everytime I saw her. Dorrie and I were in the St. Peter's class of 1958. She was a nice gal. I'm sorry to read of her passing. I hope all is well with you and yours.
written on 03-May-2010
Angelo DiChello says:
To Theresa Pasternak
Hi Yes i remember walking to St. Peter's with a John Pasternak he was a couple years ahead of me in class glad to hear you still live there. My mom was friends with The Chambrelli's the husband retired and then became a crossing guard.written on 06-May-2010
Theresa Pasternak says:
To Mary O'Brian
We all have fond memories of the OBrians. My twin Mary, brothers Michael and John (the baby) and Rita, the oldest. All are doing well. Mom and dad passed away just a couple of years ago. I was touched that you remembered my mom's smile. They were both wonderful people.GREAT memories of your mother who taught us all,as well as my mother's youngest brother. Mom sang in the choir for many years and Mary and I in the children's choir. We always looked forward to mom bringing home the large box of chocolates after singing Christmas mass. Your mother was a neighborhood icon as well as one for the Hartford diocese. I am also a teacher and when your mother made the decision to retire she called me urging me to apply for her position. I was teaching in the New Haven public schools at the time but felt honored that she wanted me to take over her coveted second grade throne.Hope all is well with you Jim, and Colleen.
My best,
Theresawritten on 06-May-2010
Theresa Pasternak says:
To
Angelo DiChello
Hi!
I spoke to John yesterday and he remembers your walks to Saint Pete's. He's been living in West Haven for quite some time with his wife and daughter. He sends his best. Bertha and George Chambrelli were just like family to us. Both deceased now; most recently Bertha who was 95 when she died about a year ago.
Hope all is well with you.
Theresa Pasternakwritten on 23-May-2010
angelo says:
To Theresa Pasternak
Hi Glad to hear John and you are doing well!! So like me you're still at the same address LOL get my email from Chris keep in touch ADwritten on 26-May-2010
christopherschaefer says:
Obituary of Douglas K. Kelsey, who passed away Tuesday, May 25, 2010: Douglas was born February 23, 1920 in Mount Vernon, New York to Mabel Morley and Harold J. Kelsey. He lived most of his life in Connecticut. He was a Locomotive Engineer on the New Haven Railroad for 39 years where he was a member of the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers Lodge #77of New Haven, CT. Doug was a life member of the Elks Lodge #2153 in Port Charlotte and the Kelsey Kindred and a descendant of Mayflower member, John Alden, Charlemagne and William the Conqueror. Kelsey was a WW II veteran who served proudly for the U.S. Army where he flew a B-25 Bomber. He was a life member of the Delta Eagles, an organization of pilots of graduation class 43-D.
He is survived by his loving wife of 67 years, Roselyn B. Kelsey; his favorite brother in law, Harry Hoffman of Hamden, CT and several loving nieces and nephews.written on 26-May-2010
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
Doug [see above] lived in City Point from age 5 to his early 20s, but was a treasure trove of information. He was one of the last people alive who needed no explanation of why the neighborhood is called City POINT [= peninsula]. He remembered not only a time when the harbor ran along the length of Hallock Ave. [before the highway was built in 1950], but also remembered the West River salt marsh aka "the mudlflats" before that was filled in--in 1929!--to create Kimberly Field. Even in his last months he was an avid internet user. Last year he & I spent an hour on the phone, both looking at the 1934 aerial photo of the neighborhood. Being a former pilot, he was able to identify many things that most people would miss. I never had a chance to meet him in person, but considered him a great friend. RIP
written on 27-May-2010
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
From Bart Hall: "Doug crewed on my great-grandfather's oyster boat, the Catherine M. Wedmore (still in service). He was aboard the morning of 21 September 1938, and along with the others that day gave his all to get the Catherine back into harbor as the Great Hurricane crashed in around them. All other boats at sea that morning were lost.
In one respect, he's been on bonus time for the last 72 years. God calls us to 'make good use of your days.' He did.
I'm so thankful I could coax a few of his stories out of him, and I be a better man for it."
Bart Hall
De Soto, Kansaswritten on 27-May-2010
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
From Bob McNeil: "Thanks for the sad information regarding Mr. Kelsey passing. What a great man and a true hero. I noticed a few weeks ago that he wasn't using E- Mail and I had the feeling he was having trouble. I hope his parachute fills and he has a soft landing in heaven. I had phone contacts with him. His mother was my Sunday school teacher at Fourth Street Methodist Church. The day of the 38 Hurricane I was in Kimberly Ave Grade School in the 1st or 2nd grade. I remember sitting in school and watching the trees bend from the high wind. It was sometime in the early afternoon that my dad came to pick me up and we had to take detours to get home as the big trees on Howard Ave were coming down and blocking the way.
The storm seemed at a peak late in the afternoon and I remember a lull in the wind and we thought the storm had passed but it was the eye passing and then we got the backside which was just as bad. All the trees in City Point Park went down like dominoes. We lived by candlelight for quite a while. My dads Oyster boat was saved at the Law dock but he lost both Oyster shops. The one in New Haven collapsed and the one in Clinton disappeared. If anyone has information regarding all the boats lost at Sea, I would be interested as no boats from City Point were lost at sea that I know of.
Thanks for all your past news, Bob McNeilwritten on 28-May-2010
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
From current City Pointer Charles Spears: "Wow! Not many people can remember the way it was before the highway and the ball field were here!"
written on 31-May-2010
John B. Crowther says:
On this Memorial Day 2010, we are saddened to learn of Doug Kelsey's passing. Margaret and I just returned to Florida from our home in Tennessee to find e-mails from Angelo, Chris and Bart. Our condolences go out to Roselyn and to Doug's family and friends. John and Margaret Crowther
written on 02-Jun-2010
Bobby Weber says:
Hi there Theresa Pasternak, Your cousin Dorrie was a great young lady. We dated for about 6 Months.I left for the service and that ended that... I am very sorry to hear of her passing..She had a great family..I remember them well. Glad to hear that you are well..You went to school with my brother Jerry. Good talking..will do so again soon...
written on 02-Jun-2010
Bobby Weber says:
to any and all,
Has anyone seen or heard from Billy Murphy,Fran Kelly,Joe or Fran McDermott,Art Silver,Tommy Bailey,any of my brothers from AIE. I think I still have my jacket with the skull.Joan or Kitty Mongillo,the last house on Sea street..I swam with a rabbit in the 55 flood through the weeds to save it.They were a great Family.. Oh,the good times we had... There is no more good clean fun left in New Haven.I wish people would just throw the damn guns in the ocean,and start to live like neighbors again..Guess I'm just dreaming......written on 03-Jun-2010
Mary OBrien says:
Hi Bobby, I used to work w Billy Murphy's aunt at Yale U. She told me back in the 1990's that Billy was living in Chicago. To my knowledge, Fran McDermott (I think he lived on Greenwich Ave.) is deceased. He was in my class in St. Peter's. Hope all is well with you and your family.
written on 11-Jun-2010
roger vaughn says:
Doug Kelsey`s passing & mention of his 1938 hurricane experience made me remember my own. As an 8 year old I was in Saint Raphael`s Hospital on Sept 21, 1938 recovering from an appendicitis operation. Back then you spent a week in hospital for this operation. I can still after 71 years hear a nurse say to another nurse "our cherry tree has blown down". Also I have a memory of being brought home to 22 Howard Ave from the hospital & seeing trees on the ground criss crossing Howard Ave. My father had no car, the trolleys couldn`t run. I have no idea how we got home. If anyone is interested, there is a good book entitled A WIND TO SHAKE THE WORLD, "a story of the 1938 hurricane" by Everett S. Allen, published by Little Brown.
written on 14-Jun-2010
paul doyle says:
To Bobby Weber
Billy Murphy is back from Chicago after being away for many years.He's living in Northford with a lady named Charla ( a 1961 graduate of St.Mary's). I've kept in pretty close contact with Billy visiting him a number of times over the years. Billy was at my house (Weymouth,MA) last week along with a group from New Haven for a golf tournament.written on 14-Jun-2010
christopherschaefer says:
Susan Flaccus writes:
June 13, 2010 Subject: City Point History
Thank you for your comprehensive History of City Point. My family lived on the corner of sixth street and Hallock Avenue for about eight years in the 1950's. The house had been built for Capt. Wedmore, and the story was that he sat on a barrel and oversaw each piece of wood that went into it. I still believe that it is the most wonderful house in the world, with a screen porch toward the harbor and a glassed porch on the other side. Those were happy times, and your thorough piece made me quite nostalgic, but I'll spare you that part.
Thanks again, Susan Flaccus.
Editor's note: That house was built for Dewey Wedmore by his father Charles K. Wedmore [both of Wedmore Oyster Co.] who lived next door in the house with the field stone porch. The name "Wedmore" still is engraved in the foundation of Dewey's house.written on 30-Jun-2010
Bobby Weber says:
to Paul Doyle, When you talk to Billy,tell him I said hello...I remember when Glennie Hogan was always talking about Billy and Patty McHugh.He had trouble speaking and used to kill their names..He had a small dog that had a huge rope as a leash..if he dropped the rope the dog couldn,t move....He used to chase us through the weeds with his coat over his head..He was short a few but the times were a lot of fun......Talk later...
written on 14-Jul-2010
Barbara T Mancini says:
Great reading. Brings back fond memories of my own. Grew up on Kimberly Ave (downstairs neighbor to Mrs. O'Brien - I see Mary has posted here and a classmate Jerry Weber also posted). Graduated from St Peter's in '63 however moved from the area in '62.
Another great site to view for memories is http://www.newhavenhillcitypoint.com/
Class of '63 note our class picture on this site.
Have recently reconnected with a few of my former St Peter's classmates of '63 and hoping to reconnect with more.written on 16-Jul-2010
Mary O'Brien says:
Hi Barbara, You must be Barbara Tomaski? I hope I'm right. You, your parents, and sister, Eleanor, lived on our first floor very soon after my mother bought the house in 1958. I remember how pretty you, your mother and sister were. You moved because your parents bought a house. I remember your mother had the cleanest house I ever saw. My brother, Jim, may have been in your class. He lives in Branford is a grandfather to five. Colleen and I are also in Branford. Your posting brings back memories. Take care.
written on 19-Jul-2010
P. Robbins says:
My G-Grandfather was Nels Starbranch (1861-1950). He was a Swedish sailor who gave up the ship in the 1880s and settled first in NYC. Nels (Nils) started his own oyster business in 1887 after previously being employed by Jeremiah Smith & Co. as a foreman.
Here is an undated photo of him sitting on the front porch of his house on Sea St. (http://imgur.com/XHvGo.png). Sadly we have no photos nor records of the Starbranch Oyster Co. or the Starbranch Grocery Store.written on 20-Jul-2010
Barbara Mancini says:
Mary,
Yes I am. Mom is doing well and still keeps a very clean house. Jimmy and I were in the same class. We had many baseball games and games of hide-n-seek in the garage lot behind the house. Also remember spending many summer afternoons with Jimmy and Colleen playing Monopoly on the back porch. I have two grandchildren. So nice to reconnect with these memories. Please give my regards to Jimmy and Colleen.
Barbarawritten on 25-Jul-2010
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
To P. Robbins re. Nels (Nils) Starbranch.
His house on Sea Street was No. 75. Three years ago the current owners of the house found a letter addressed to his wife, dated 1900. Photos of the letter (written in Old Swedish) and a translation can be found here: http://meeyauw.blogspot.com/2007/10/translati ... .html
In addition to his oyster co. and grocery store, Mr. Starbranch also was the caretaker for the former Lane mansion on South Water Street. (See this website's page "Late 19th-Early 20th Century Reminiscences").written on 27-Jul-2010
P. Robbins says:
Christopher,
thanks so much to alerting me to the link about the old letter found while renovating #75 Sea St. Hilda Starbranch, the recipient of the letter was my maternal great grandmother. It is so amazing to learn that this letter was recently discovered (and translated!) and remains associated with the house.
Hilda was born in Sweden and immigrated to the U.S. as an unmarried teenager in the 1880s. She worked as a maid in the Brooklyn prior to marrying a sailor from the home country who was giving up the trans-Atlantic boats to work a life on shore in the oyster trade.written on 27-Jul-2010
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
A photo of the Starbranch grocery store (99 S. Water St.), as it appeared in the 1950s when owned by Mory Libson, can be seen on the "Historic PHOTOS" page: "From the collection of Margaret Provost Kelly" (3rd page of her collection). A correction to my previous post: the Lane caretaker was Stephen Starbranch.
written on 09-Aug-2010
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
A recent email: "Thank you for your comprehensive History of City Point. My family lived on the corner of sixth street and Hallock Avenue for about eight years in the 1950's. The house had been built for Capt. [Dewey] Wedmore, and the story was that he sat on a barrel and oversaw each piece of wood that went into it. I still believe that it is the most wonderful house in the world, with a screen porch toward the harbor and a glassed porch on the other side. Those were happy times, and your thorough piece made me quite nostalgic, but I'll spare you that part.
Thanks again, Susan Flaccus." Editor's note: This house still has the name "Wedmore" engraved in the foundation, under the porch facing the harbor.written on 20-Aug-2010
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
While this forum consists primarily of history and reminiscences, City Point does have a present existence as well. Here's a few recent links:
http://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/ ... oint/
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2071290 ... bb70ewritten on 21-Oct-2010
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
Someone posted here on Sept 15, but I never received a notice to "approve" it (which I need to do in order to filter out spam from advertisers). So I happened to notice that a comment was awaiting approval, I think from someone named Annibale Healy, formerly of Cassius St. But when I clicked "approve" the comment disappeared. If she subscribes to comments, I encourage her to re-post. Also, if anyone else posted recently & it's not here, please try again. Sometimes this site can be a bit quirky.
written on 22-Oct-2010
Carolyn Hunihan says:
To Susan Flaccus:
Coming up to Halloween, I'm sure I remember trick-or-treating at your house at 6th Street & Hallock Ave. I distinctly remember bobbing for apples at the Wedmore house! I always remember thinking how nice it was of you and your family to have us all into your home when you yourself could have been out trick-or-treating! How generous of you all!
The timeframe fits, and, if I recall correctly, you were very blonde with middle length cut-straight-across hair. Do you recall Bonnie Ross who lived at that gorgeous house on Howard & 6th, just up the block from you? It's the house that Sally Cahill lived in later, her brother the late Bob Tracey (of the oil company) living next door in that stone-front porch house (which much earlier had been a boarding house).
That area makes me think of the inital tree across the street in the park. That tree was the one in the middle, near the monument and cannons, by the bench. When I discovered that they had cut down that tree, I scooped up tree parts and finally parted with the last one, sending it to my cousin Andy Gladish (wife nee Barbara Pogonelski) in Ohio as a fond remembrance!written on 22-Oct-2010
Carolyn Hunihan says:
To Bobby Weber:
Fran McDermott is gone; Joey moved to New Hampshire many years ago and, as far as I know, he's still there....written on 26-Oct-2010
Bobby Weber says:
To Carolyn Hunihan, Thank you for the word on Fran McDermott.He used to park in my driveway to go to the local carnival.I haven't seen him in years.I now see why.There are not many of my good buddies left..and life goes on.. ty again..always good to hear from you...
written on 30-Oct-2010
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
This is a test post.
written on 03-Nov-2010
Kathryn Friedland says:
Carolyn:
You say that Bob Tracey passed away. I remember him very well. He had jet black hair and very handsome. My mother used to say that he looked like the actor, Robert Taylor.
I can remember Sally Tracey walking to church on Sunday mornings, dressed to the nines. She had such great clothes, a real glamor girl of City Point.
Love to hear your tidbits of info about City Point.written on 06-Nov-2010
Bob Lingane says:
Hi all, nice site. Lots of memories. It seems that I am way ahead of most posting on the site.
For instance, Mary O'Briens mother was known to me as Miss Cullen in the second grade at St. Peter's.
Mother Matilda: I was the recipient of three whacks across my palms, with the well known strap that hung
down from her waist--just because I was late three times.
I know I am younger than Doug Kelsey as I worked with him on the former New Haven railroad.
I am sorry to read that he has passed away. I was in e-mail contact with him up until he moved from upstate New York and moved back down South. Carolina,s I think. Doug was a font of information.
Also, I worked with a Danny Ahern who was an engineer with the railroad. At the time he lived on Hallock Ave.
at the corner of Fourth or Fifth St. This was about the late 60's or early 70's.
Back to Mary O Brien: my mother was a tenant of your mother's during the sixties.
More later. I have a lot of reading to complete on this site.
I do have a picture of my class in the third grade at St. Peter's. Also pictures taken around the memorial and
cannons that stood in the middle of the park on Howard Ave. Bob L.written on 07-Nov-2010
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
To Bob Lingane:
Did you know the Oates family on Second St.? Two brothers and a sister: John, Joe & Margaret, I think.
I live in their former house. The brothers worked for the New Haven Rail Road, and Margaret I believe worked for the phone company. Their mother purchased the house in 1920. If you're able to scan and email those pictures you mention and would like to share them on this website, contact me.written on 07-Nov-2010
Mary O'Brien says:
To Bob Lingane: Yes, I remember your visits to your mother when she lived on our first floor on Kimberly Avenue. I knew you were one of the hundreds (maybe thousands) of students my mother taught over the 53 years she was at the school. I also remember the dog, Lady, who used to sit with Mr. Lindstaedt on the front porch watching the goings on in the neighborhood. My father worked for the railroad in the real estate division and my grandfather O'Brien was a freight conductor. Both before your time. Hope all is well with you.
written on 09-Nov-2010
Kathryn Friedland says:
To Bob Lingane:
Danny Ahern was my father. Were you also an engineer?
Kathryn Friedlandwritten on 11-Nov-2010
Barbara T Mancini says:
looking to reconnect with classmates from St Peter's class of '63
written on 12-Nov-2010
Angelo DiChello says:
To Bob Lingane
I was in class during the late sixties at St. Peter's with a Chris Linganewritten on 14-Nov-2010
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
More regarding Nels Starbranch, formerly of 75 Sea St. This is excerpted from a letter sent to me in Sept. 2009 by Ruth May of New Mexico. I had misplaced it, hence the delay in my sharing these excerpts:
“I have such wonderful memories of my grandfather who lived there. Grandpa was Nels Starbranch and he lived at 75 Sea Street. I never knew grandma because she died in 1938… Grandpa died in 1951, so my memories are of a child in her first decade…My grandparents were immigrants from Sweden and had not met until they were both in America.
Grandma and Grandpa raised 5 children—on the second floor! The Flynn family lived downstairs when I was visiting…I don’t know when [my grandparents] moved in, but my mother told me a family story of the Blizzard of 1888. Evidently there had been so much snow that they couldn’t get out the front door and had to climb onto the porch roof through the second story window…
All of the [Starbranch] children survived into ‘old age’. Lilly—the oldest—was born in 1889 and was a missionary to China for maybe 50 years. Paul was disabled in WWI but was a painter and wall paperer in New Haven. Harold was some kind of financial ‘officer’ for the New Haven Register for many years. Esther (my mother) was a teacher. After she married Dad she became a homemaker because women were not allowed to teach after they got married. Ruth worked in the library in downtown New Haven and later worked at First National Bank. Ruth never married and lived with Grandpa until he died [in 1951 at age 89] and then she moved to an apartment in town.
Another of Mom’s stories was that Grandma was so proud when women got the vote! Come election day—after several arguments—Grandpa agreed to come home and collect Grandma so they could go the polls together. She waited for him, but as it was getting very late, she decided to go without him. She met him coming back from the polls. He had voted without her. He admitted that he was afraid her vote would cancel his!...
My family and I lived on Lenox Street in the Fair Haven Heights. Grandpa and Aunt Ruth usually came to our house for Sunday dinner, but I have fond memories of meals and celebrations at 75 Sea Street. Grandpa was small, as men go, and he enjoyed being one of the kids. He often walked us to [Bay View aka City Point] Park…where he joined in the play, whether it was rolling down the hill or swinging in the swings…
Grandpa worked an oyster bed in the harbor [with a shop at 110 South Water St.] but he also had a grocery store [at 99 South Water Street, which later became Libson’s]… Mom had to work in it once in awhile when she was a kid. Mom and her siblings went to Kimberly Ave. School [formerly at Kimberly & Second St.]…
I loved City Point as a kid and I appreciate the opportunity to saunter down ‘memory lane’. I don’t remember going down to City Point after 1951. I’m glad it is still there.
Ruth (Wiedemann) May”written on 25-Nov-2010
Jan Lowery [http://janlowery.com] says:
This is such a wonderful surprise. My Great Grandfather was Charles K. Wedmore, my grandmother Olive K. Wedmore. My mother has passed (Audrey K. Wedmore) but she used to talk about Uncle Dewey. My brother, twin sister and I hope to make a trip to visit our home town.
written on 27-Nov-2010
Mrs Gloria Waldron Bayles Tucker says:
I am the granddaughter of Samuel Youngs Bayles who had the Oyster Bay Oyster Company in Oyster Bay, LI, NY. I had wondered what ever happened to the Gloria B oyster boat. A few years back my daughter and I went to the library at Mystic Seaport and I found that the Gloria B had been sold to a Thomas Oyster Company in New Haven, CT. That was nice to know. The Waldron B had gone to the Flower Oyster Company but some of the others I have no idea.
written on 29-Nov-2010
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
News article about new Bay View Park [City Point Park] highway sound barriers:
http://newhavenregister.com/articles/2010/11/ ... 5.txtwritten on 03-Dec-2010
John B. Crowther says:
To Mrs. Gloria Waldron Byles Tucker:
It was good to read your recent post on this site. The "Gloria B" was purchased by my grandfather, John W. Thomas (owner of the Thomas Oyster Company at City Point) from your grandfather. I had the pleasure of meeting your grandfather twice when he came over from Oyster Bay to visit. On one of those occasions he brought his yacht--the largest private yacht I had ever seen--and docked it at the Wedmore fueling dock. I seem to recall my grandfather explaining that your grandfather's yacht was a converted destroyer escort--at least she seemed that big!
I have posted several pictures of the "Gloria B" on the historical photos section of this site, and hope you had the opportunity to see them.
Best regards,
John B. Crowther
Grandson of John W. Thomaswritten on 07-Dec-2010
Bob Lingane says:
To Chris Schaefer, I only remember two Oates that were twins. I seem to remember them from the KofC in West Haven. I thought they worked for Western Electric when it was on Wood St. W.H.
I must have passed your house hundreds and hundreds of times as I worked 43 years on the railroad, the New Haven and the pretenders that followed the New Haven Railroad’s demise. It was up First St. to work and down by the Seamless and back home down Second St. This was from 1944 up until 1990 when I retired.
To Mary O’Brien, I think I remember your Father? Tall, slender, horn rim glasses? If I recall a big mop of black hair. As to your GF, there were a few Obies in freight. It seems all O’briens were called Obie. Such as Beano or Obie O’Brien that worked for a propane company, a year or two younger than me, that came from the Hill or CP.Lady was a real lady. My brother Jerry and I had to take her to the Vet to be put down when my Mother couldn’t handle her any more.
To Kathryn Friedland: no, I was not an engineer but a Conductor. I worked with Danny many times around the station and yards. I worked with Danny most, was when he owned the Engineer’s job in the Diesel Shop on Union Ave. west of the RR Sta. A real gentleman. A pleasure to work with.There was another Ahern or Ahearn that lived on Kimberly Ave. opposite the tip of the triangle at Greenwich and Kimberly. I think he was a school teacher.Are you related in any way to a Sammy Friedland? I graduated from Commercial High with a Sam Friedland in1946. Used to live on George St. in New Haven. I know he has passed but in previous years I used to see him when he was working on the RPO’s. Railroad Post Office cars.
To Angelo DiChello: yes, Chris Lingane is my nephew. Both he and his older brother Jodie went to St. Peter's. Along with my other nephew and niece Charles and Patty Reid who were there a few years before you guys.
Well good night to all. Bob Linganewritten on 08-Dec-2010
Kathryn Friedland says:
I wasn't related to the Ahern on Kimberly Ave. And I am not related to Sammy Friedland.
Thank you for the kind comments about my father. He died in 2001 at the age of 88.written on 15-Dec-2010
Robert McNeil says:
My newfound City Point friend Angelo DiChello who keeps me informed of City Point and the current Oyster fleet has sent me a clipping that Bob Fries has passed. Bob and I, along with Dick Wedmore were pals and played along South Water Street and under the docks. Bob had a home made boat. About 5' long and square like a tub and we would paddle under the docks crabbing. We also built a club house behind my dads barn at the oyster dock owned by dad. The roof leaked and we installed lights powered by flashlight bulbs. Bob was in great physical shape and we both worked on deck on the oyster boats. In the summer we would take a row out to " "oatfield " which was the sandbar that extended off West Haven for a swim from a sandy beach. I looked him up about 2 years ago living in Woodbridge and had a short visit.. good by old friend.
written on 24-Dec-2010
John B. Crowther says:
Chris, Angelo, Bob and all--Merry Christmas everyone! Hope your holiday and New Year will be bright and healthy, and that the economy turns around.
written on 24-Dec-2010
Angelo DiChello says:
Thanks John B.
Merry Christmas to you & you're Family and also to Bob, Chris,Rob W. &The Readers of The City Point Website
Look me up on the next visit to City Point Bob & Johnwritten on 21-Jan-2011
Kathryn Friedland says:
Heh all you City Pointers/Hill/New Haven people I hear you are getting hit with a lot of bad weather this winter. I live in central Vermont and most winters are snowy, but I think you're getting hit harder than we are. Hope all is well. I still miss New Haven.
written on 23-Mar-2011
Carolyn Hunihan says:
To: Kathryn Friedland
It's March 23 and it's snowing in Woodbridge this morning--so much for "Spring" in Connecticut!written on 26-Mar-2011
Kathryn Friedland says:
That's too bad; winter is hanging on up here also. Lots of snow. My daughter is in Hamden this weekend; I hope there's no snow down there. She would be pretty mad if she left snow in Vermont, only to go to Connecticut and find it there too.
written on 17-May-2011
Grace Garcia says:
Hi, I lived in "The Hill" till i was about 17. I lived on 5th st and Hallock, then moved to Hallock, them moved to Greenwich. It was a great place to live. Came in once the street lights came on. Went to St. Peters school and am now in contact with friends that still live in that area.. This is a great page and that you for creating it.. Grace
written on 17-May-2011
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
Hi Grace,
Be sure to let your friends who still live in this area know about this site. (It's not just for "former" residents!) I still come in when the street lights go on. Also let your friends know that the City Point Greenspace group will be gearing up again for the season. Runs June through July. Free plants for the treestrip area (between sidewalk and curb). One of our goals this summer is to spruce up the "City Point" section of Howard Ave., from about First St. down to about S. Water St. Last year we did some work on Hallock Ave. along the railroad wall. You wouldn't recognize it now. Very pretty around those old trees. ¿Habla español?written on 19-May-2011
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
A note to current residents:
One of New Haven’s newest Greenspace groups begins its second year!
WHAT WE DO: plant trees, shrubs, flowers in the tree strip [curb strip] in front of your home or apartment: the area between the sidewalk and curb. (This particular Greenspace group does NOT do front yards or parks/public spaces.) Plants are FREE!
WHERE: the area bounded by Hallock Ave., Greenwich Ave., and South Water St., including Howard Ave. from Lamberton St. to South Water St., and the cross streets in this area: First through Sixth Streets & Sea St.
WHEN: June through July. Days of week & times to be determined by group members. So join now and we’ll accommodate your schedule! Also, if you join now you can help us determine which locations on the aforementioned streets we’ll tackle this season.
HOW TO JOIN: Call me, Chris Schaefer, at 203-668-6348. If no answer, PLEASE LEAVE A MESSAGE and I’ll return your call. OR email me: schaeferchristopher@yahoo.com
“As neighbors work together to beautify their homes, they begin to identify other problems of concern: trash, crime, abandonment, etc. Before you know it, a tree planting project creates common ground which helps solve a variety of problems…” Community Greenspace Manual: Urban Resources Initiative
For more info about this program go to
http://environment.yale.edu/uri/programs/written on 02-Jun-2011
barbara jean says:
Hi, Chris, Not quite sure if I'm sending this to the right site but I think I'm on the right track. I've enjoyed reading the different recollections of City Point neighbors but I'm not sure where that neighborhood is!! or if my great grandparents were part of it. I have a knack for getting lost, blissfully, determinedly traveling in any direction without noticing a single street sign. "just going in a different direction" or "we're still in the USA" or where ever. But I often find something or someone so interesting, or a sweet surprise or even, a dead end. I am never really lost. This is also how I view my genealogy expedition: go forward, retreat while going in circles, repeat. Think: "where am I?" "where's Granny?" "who IS Granny?" Sometimes the ???s fall in to place like streets on a map (altho I haven't mastered maps). Your CP neighbors remind me of this. Many write anecdotes and histories of the area which are so informative, and others very kindly answer queries or offer advice. That is helpful and gracious of them. And all those pesty unanswered questions may not be unanswerable, like a dead end, but temporary mysteries. And this is how I found your City Point Web Site. I had been searching for my misplaced Baptism record, hoping to glean family history from it. Not finding my records, I plunged head-long into the Search. My parents' marriage certificate listed the marrying priest, but not his church affiliation. So I searched: Web, Google, telephone books and directories, Ancestry, cold calls. I called many churches, asking "do you know this priest from 1940s?!!" Helloooo-of course not. But I did continue to follow up (Google) where I discovered Retreats where this particular priest had attended for many years and in many states, and also found that he did indeed preach in New Haven. I contacted his past church, explaining my search. They've been so very kind and helpful. Unfortunately, it was the wrong church!! Right for the wedding, but not the church for my baptism. Not a dead end , but a detour. After more rummaging thru slips and reams of papers, I found my certificate! The Howard Avenue Methodist Church, 198 Howard Ave. I was in the "Cradle Roll" (an aunt and a great aunt were witnesses, a delightful discovery!) I also discovered that I had been baptized twice and a member of two churches by the time I was 2. My mother left nothing to chance
Searching for the HAMC was quite interesting and that history led me to your Web site, City Point. I am hoping there may still be some memories of my family or of their friends from that area. My English family, Sarah Paine and her 6 English children arrived here in 1872; 3 more children were born in New Haven. Husband Mark seemed to have made a few trips back and forth (England/US) He was a butcher by trade in UK and also in New Haven, but I don't know where. With the exception of Frank and Esther, the Paine children seem to have married Irish (McGuire, O'Connell, McCue) or not at all. Esther married James Kober, of Irish-German descent.I mention the nationalities because it was a defining AND dividing issue of the times, as was religion. The families lived on Howard and Washington Avenues, and other nearby streets. I often visited relatives on Howard Ave with my mom when I was a little girl. And of course, Savin Rock.
Now I go to Sage with my husband.
nice talking with you, chris
barbara jeanwritten on 02-Jun-2011
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
Hi Barbara Jean,
If you look at the Neighborhood Map slide show on the "Neighborhood Map and Brief HISTORY" page of this website, you'll see City Point outlined on the newer of the maps. Howard Ave. Methodist (now New Light Holy Church) originally was called City Point Mission. So, yes, you've found the right neighborhood! Incidentally, the records of Howard Avenue Methodist now are held by a Methodist church in West Haven. Also see this website's page "Howard Ave. Methodist 75th Anniversary (1950)". It has the re-dedication program booklet and you can "turn the pages" to read it. At the end of the program booklet is a history of the church (up to 1950).written on 12-Jun-2011
christopherschaefer says:
Our annual Neighborhood Garden Party:
https://http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2132 ... 26124written on 13-Jun-2011
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
For CURRENT residents: a petition to prevent the state DOT from taking part of the Long Wharf Nature Preserve:
http://www.change.org/petitions/save-the-long ... servewritten on 01-Jul-2011
christopherschaefer says:
Our neighborhood Greenspace group in action:
https://http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2214 ... aebafwritten on 20-Jul-2011
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
More photos of the Greenspace group "Friends of City Point":
https://http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2231 ... ype=1
https://http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2249 ... ype=1written on 27-Aug-2011
John B. Crowther says:
Hope all of you are going to be safe with Hurricane Irene bearing down on you. The storm surge may mean you'll have to evacuate. We have been lucky so far this year in Florida--and since the four storms that hit us in Volusia County in 2004--but we never take any hurricane lightly! And in 2004, we evacuated to our home in Tennessee. Thoughts and prayers are with you all.
written on 11-Oct-2011
Bob Thomas says:
I've read through all the available comments here to date, have some comments and some requests for info. The Robert Thomas who has commented here is my son and we've been engaged for a couple of decades in trying to find out more about Joseph Thomas of 57 Sea Street. my great grandfather.
But first, a couple of my best friends at Notre Dame HS - West Haven were graduates of St. Peter's ES, Paul Robertson, around 1953 and his brother David Robertson around 1955. One now lives in Maryland and the other in CA and if anyone wants to contact them I'd forward an email sent to me at erasmus54@hotmal.com>. Both have done well. Paul is a graduate of MIT and was a defense engineer for most of his life and Dave graduated from Fairfield, worked for UA for a number of years and ended up a private jet pilot and still flies his own 2 engine plane.
Mary O'Brien and Kathryn Friedland commented about the terrible death of Bobby Ford in a train accident in the mid-50's. I am Bobby's first cousin once removed, his grandmother being one of JT's daughters and my grandfather one of his sons. We were not close to the family but the parents were William and Eva Ford and his siblings were Judy, John and Robert. Since they're part of the genealogy we're trying to write if anyone has any stories about them or Bobby I would appreciate it.
John B. Crowther wondered about where the surname "Thomas" comes from, and my answer is I don't know, but since it exists in all Christian countries the Apostle Thomas may be a factor. Since Thomas died in India it would be significant to know the incidence of the surname in that country.
But in England and Wales there's a much more likely source for the name. That is from the name of the Catholic archbishop Thomas Becket, who is a saint in both the Anglican and Catholic churches because since he was trying to uphold church rights against King Henry II, when Henry muttered the famous phrase "Who will rid me of this cursed priest", a dozen of his knights rode from France to Winchester Cathedral whereupon on December 29, 1170 they cut him to bits on the altar.
This act so enraged the populace that thousands of people, probably many who had not had surnames, adopted the surname "Thomas", in contrast to the time of the Domesday Book 100 years earlier which recorded only a single priest in England with that surname owning property in that country.
Lastly, I'm very interested in anyone who has any recollections of any of my City Point ancestors or who could describe the interior of Joseph Thomas' house at 57 Sea Street and would pay the current residents for a videotape of the interior. I notice that Robert McNeill lived at 58 from 1931 and recalled that Barbara Bradley Petereson lived there around that time - Joseph Thomas died in 1932. Also, my grandfaher George Thomas, one of Joseph's sons, used to "hang out around the docks" in City Point in the mid 1950's after his retirement. Any recollections would be terrific. Joseph Thomas' other children were Joseph Jr., William, David, Charles, Florence and Violet.
We've been researching this for years and recently we've gone up on the http://www.ancestry.com> website and it's like night and day. With a little effort using the USPS to contact long-lost relatives suddenly you have many more collaborators looking at the history and contributing their stories and fleshing out the bare bones of the family tree (no pun intended) and also connecting with each other readily after decades for their benefit and that of their descendants. Like day and night from toiling away alone.written on 24-Dec-2011
John B. Crowther says:
Merry Christmas everyone, and a Happy and Prosperous New Year! Hope to get back to Connecticut in 2012 after a two year hiatus. Keep well and enjoy the holidays.
written on 27-Dec-2011
Kathryn Friedland says:
Ditto!! Happy New Year to all the City Pointers who ever lived or still live there!! I still miss it very much, even though everyone I ever knew from there aren't even there any more, but I still have fond memories of those that are gone and who were part of my life.
written on 02-Jan-2012
Bobby Weber says:
I wish all, a very Happy and Healthy New Year.. I was looking at the pictures of the Park before the hi-way.The tree on the right was a large chestnut tree and my name was carved in the upper portion of it. I will have to stop the next time I go by and use a spy glass to check now...
written on 07-Jan-2012
christopherschaefer says:
Barbara Jean writes: "That's cool, you have your own Historical Event. Remember to mulch the tree's roots so it will be protected over the winter. If we ever have a winter season.
To All, a cozy winter and Healthy New Year."written on 10-Jan-2012
Robert McNeil says:
I am refering to Bob Thomas and his desire to aquire information on his grandfathers former residence at 57 Sea St. Yes, I lived across the street at 58 from 1931 to 1952 when I married and was drafted the same year. I was in the house many times as Barbara and I were the same age. I have seen pictures taken inside the house. I believe the pictures were in the collections on this website. I could give you her website but dont know if that is allowed. Maybe Chris will advise on giving addresses or phone numbers. Bob McNeil
Jan. 10, 2012written on 11-Jan-2012
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
To Bob Thomas:
According to the City of New Haven's website, http://www.cityofnewhaven.com/Assessor/index.asp http://data.visionappraisal.com/newhavenct/fi ... 13444 the current owner of 57 Sea is
Jason A. Schneider, 57 Sea St., New Haven, CT 06519. You could write him and offer to pay for a video of the interior, explaining that your ancestors lived there.written on 11-Jan-2012
christopherschaefer says:
I've just added a c. 95 year-old photo to this site. It's the first photo on the "Historic PHOTOS" page: a rare view of the West River salt marsh.
written on 20-Jan-2012
Robert McNeil says:
To Bob Thomas; Are you related to Bobby Thomas who I knew and was brother of John Thomas of City Point. ?
written on 23-Jan-2012
christopher schaefer [editor] says:
The installation of tide gates here in 1921 was one of several steps that altered or destroyed area wetlands. For City Point, the most significant destruction of West River wetlands occurred between Greenwich Ave. & Kimberly Ave., beginning c. 1906 & culminating in 1929 when Sea St. was connected to the Boulevard--at which time City Point was no longer a "point".
http://www.newhavenregister.com/articles/2012 ... 6.txtwritten on 26-Jan-2012
Maureen Christian says:
More City Point News from days gone by.To Roselyn Kelsey:
I recently learned about this great web site, and saw blurb about "Pop Christian". Well he was my grandfather, Remington Palmer Christian. He had three children, a daughter who was killed getting off a trolly on Howard Ave, a son whose name I never learned, and my father Frank.
Pop Christian was a widower, my grandmother was Sarah. My father worked at the Loews Theaters and at Shuberts where the Broadway Shows would first open. He married my mother Jane. Shortly after I was born we moved in with my grandfather. When I was three months old, My mother found him having died of natural causes. At least he got to see his son married and become a grandfather.
My lasting memory of the cherry tree was being stung by wasps, so I was not sad to see it go. I do remember my father yelling from the back porch to shoo away kids.
I too went to St.Peters. A few months ago Carolyn Hunihan, Jerry (Sister Jerilyn),
Myra Kelly ( never did ask her her married name), Janet Cohane and I got together at Brazi's and had the most wonderful reunion filled with laughter, photos,and the Fresh Air stands we used to have. Carolyn remined us that while we collecting money for the "poor children "; we didn't realize we were the poor children - we could have gone to camp. We had so much fun together through the years, we were rich in many ways.
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